O/T Ghosts

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I used to host a paranormal radio show at university, which was fun (most nights) and there was a lot of talk from both sides of the argument as to why ghosts only seemed to start in the sort of late 1400s. As a man of science, I'm happy to hear both sides of the argument and while I'm open minded, I also have the common sense to realise when there's an explanation for something that many suggestible people would try and irrationalise.

Anyway, this is one of my theories on it.

As we all know, we are all made up of energy. It exists in different states across the spectrum within us, mostly as stored up potential energy that we release as kinetic energy, through both voluntary (such as walking, smiling, chewing etc) and involuntary (heartbeat, diaphragm, digestion) movement. However, our brain signals and patterns exist through electromagnetic energy, which dances through our neurons and axons as we think and recall memory. Now, nobody knows what happens when we die, the exact moment of death cannot be catalogued for obvious reasons, but after death, that energy has to go somewhere. Energy cannot be destroyed (as part of the law of conservation of energy, one of the key principles of the First Law of Thermodynamics), so it must be transferred somewhere else. It doesn't necessarily have to change it's state, although I suppose it's possible that it could.

Electromagnetic energy has some very strange properties, it has been known to create 'ghost' proteins and DNA strands in the human body, which causes enzymes to behave oddly. Therefore, it is not totally unbelievelable that it could happen on a larger scale, that the electromagnetic energy that constitutes our conciousness could leave some sort of imprint on an environment for a period of time. Obviously certain factors would stipulate how long the energy lingered for, such as temperature, air pressure and other various stimuli.

Now, something energy is not is sentient, which is why I've always doubted so called psychic mediums and some self proclaimed ghost hunters. But an echo or imprint of a person's energy could linger behind after death, almost like a photograph or a recording. Perhaps this thought energy could manifest itself as a sound at a certain frequency; certainly we know that it can in other walks of life, but it's highly doubtful anybody could have an intelligent conversation with said energy. Even if it sounded as such, it would purely be coincidence.

So yes, I think it's feasible that you could get some sort of remnant after death, but not a concious, sentient one, more a recording of that persons thought processes.

I read a similar theory to yours, and they suggested that it's why certain places, such as damp cellars etc are more succesptible to claims of haunting. Their theory was that, apart from the psychological and atmospheric elements, the moisture and other conditions lent itself to the theory.
 
What a load of bollocks.

OLM never smiles.

Wait. Using your theory, he could be a ghost, or a poltergeist just here to cause trouble.

You're a genius!

Wow, what a refreshingly stupid riposte. Most of the idiots I know would just give some sort of stupid response. But you've actually given one stupider than that.

Energy cannot be destroyed to say ?

Well it can certainly run out.

Three words to disprove your theory.


Batteries.

Big.

Trak.

Here endeth the lesson.

That goofy Professor Cox can GTF as well.

Oh no. Never mind, this guy's even thicker than you Happy. Rest easy.

Incidentally, I did say it lasts for a period of time. Hence the lack of 'cavemen ghosts'. It'd obviously disperse over time. The first cavemen existed around 20,000 years ago as Neanderthal men, I'd say that was enough time for it to disperse.
 
I read a similar theory to yours, and they suggested that it's why certain places, such as damp cellars etc are more succesptible to claims of haunting. Their theory was that, apart from the psychological and atmospheric elements, the moisture and other conditions lent itself to the theory.

Yeah, you'll often find the places that claim to be the most 'haunted' are often in ill repair or with extremely poor structural integrity. Most probably have insects, rodents and the like living in the walls. I've done a few walk rounds (by myself) in some so called haunted places and most of it you can put down to external influence. You also have things like heightened suggestibility; if somebody tells you the building is haunted by a specific figure, you're more susceptible to tricks of the mind making you see what you've been told. It'd be interesting to do it with a neutral in a control environment, but I just can't be bothered. Hopefully somebody else will.
 
Wow, what a refreshingly stupid riposte. Most of the idiots I know would just give some sort of stupid response. But you've actually given one stupider than that.



Oh no. Never mind, this guy's even thicker than you Happy. Rest easy.

Incidentally, I did say it lasts for a period of time. Hence the lack of 'cavemen ghosts'. It'd obviously disperse over time. The first cavemen existed around 20,000 years ago as Neanderthal men, I'd say that was enough time for it to disperse.

Hark at Clinton Baptiste doling out the insults.

One word?
 
Ghosts not real shocker.



Glad thats all sorted then.

they sound like rubbish scientists. seriously, just because they can invoke certain reactions in one way is not proof that the reactions can't be invoked in a different way. if i smack someone with a piece of glass and it makes their face bleed, it doesn't prove that car accidents don't exist.
 
All paranormal activity is a result of distorted brain activity.

Because all activity is merely epiphenomenal metacognition.

No reality exists beyond conscious thought.

Thought is not however a dualism.


Perception is of a self-generating internalisation.


The totality of being is an absolute idealism.





In other news some bloke ate a woman's eyeballs.

Sick or what?
 
All paranormal activity is a result of distorted brain activity.

Because all activity is merely epiphenomenal metacognition.

No reality exists beyond conscious thought.

Thought is not however a dualism.


Perception is of a self-generating internalisation.


The totality of being is an absolute idealism.





In other news some bloke ate a woman's eyeballs.

Sick or what?

He would have eaten the rest of her but got interupted during the entree (??) got tasered by the police and died. Was only released from prison two weeks ago. Ah well never mind. Shame the woman also died.

Edit. just remembered the topic, hope he doesn't come back as a ghost and scare me.
 
The Mosted Haunted programme has visited the "most haunted" places all over the UK and other countries for over 10 years now.

In all that time they've never filmed a "ghost".

Pretty much kills the debate here and now.
 
The Mosted Haunted programme has visited the "most haunted" places all over the UK and other countries for over 10 years now.

In all that time they've never filmed a "ghost".

Pretty much kills the debate here and now.

You can't film a rainbow from the wrong side.<cool>
 
Due to the fact that ghosts are made up of energy, and energy cannot be destroyed, I am fairly sure that there are ghosts - Energy cannot be dispersed, it is transformed.
But acknowledging ghosts means that there must be a higher power that created the souls in the first place, and as this board has repeatedly informed us all that there is no such thing as god, I am sure that all you small minded superficials are happy in your own small world.
 
Souls... end of conversation... load of ****.

The one that really bugs me the most is people who are adamant that ghosts are real but also adamant that alien life doesn't exist, with no remote understanding as to the actual physical size of our universe and just writing the idea off because an alien race hasn't introduced itself to us at this point in time...
 
In fact, I had this debate with one person who said ghosts were real. They tried to catch me out and mention aliens to which my response was:

"I'd be damn well shocked if in the size of our universe in it's near infinite magnificence there is not one other form of life, even more intelligent than us"

The rebuttle:

"Well that's stupid... how can you prove this sofa's real then?"

I honestly didnt know what that meant or to this day how to respond to that. And they thought they'd won their argument!
 
I'd say each to their own, if you want to believe in a higher power and believe in ghost, good luck to you.
I can't prove nor disprove the existance of anything I can't see, however I am gonna keep my faith - if you don't wish to believe in anything bigger than yourself and your own ego, that is totally up to you.
 
Souls... end of conversation... load of ****.

The one that really bugs me the most is people who are adamant that ghosts are real but also adamant that alien life doesn't exist, with no remote understanding as to the actual physical size of our universe and just writing the idea off because an alien race hasn't introduced itself to us at this point in time...

oh cos you said it, that makes it OK then.
 
Souls... end of conversation... load of ****.

The one that really bugs me the most is people who are adamant that ghosts are real but also adamant that alien life doesn't exist, with no remote understanding as to the actual physical size of our universe and just writing the idea off because an alien race hasn't introduced itself to us at this point in time...

I believe both ghosts and aliens exist...
 
I'd say each to their own, if you want to believe in a higher power and believe in ghost, good luck to you.
I can't prove nor disprove the existance of anything I can't see, however I am gonna keep my faith - if you don't wish to believe in anything bigger than yourself and your own ego, that is totally up to you.

And I always had you down as the logical, scientific type.