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[Tobes]

Yes I did complain about your postings on that thread. Was I the only one - I have no idea and neither do I wish to know. I am pleased that my comments were noted. The decision to move however lay purely with the Mods and I had no influence over that.

Now you may well believe that those who opposed your postings were taking a pro-Israel stance. Despite the fact that we all took great pains to explain that our personal opinions on Israel's actions had nothing to do with it. In that respect you match Tobes' arrogance in somehow being able to define things that don't exist. What you do from here on is our concern and worries me not. However, in defence of the other members of this board and the Mods it there is any influence upon their statements and actions it has not been applied from these pages.

So go if you want, stay if you want, but don't accuse others of actions or opinions, or beliefs that you have no proof of.

Hardly a shocker that you were one of those complaining, but at least you have the stones to admit to it.

What I have an issue with, is that you took part in that debate and argued your stance and yet you then chose to stifle any further debate and have the discussion closed down. Excuse me if I come to my own conclusions as to why that was.

 

[carlthejackal]

Even not606 cannot escape the Pro israel censorship gang. Other than this post I've no reason to be on a board influenced by Pro israel people thanks.

Obviously these who complained have traction with our mods or mod, whomever decided the complaints were warranted, essentially they did not like it and that was enough to ditch the thread off of this board. No rules had to be broken and there were no running arguments either.


No different from how the truth gets silenced everywhere else about Zionism and Israel's war crimes.


Later.

This is exactly what I meant earlier about overtly political posts. This is a football forum/board FFS. If you want to discuss politics go on a political forum. Should people who do not agree with your statements above start rebutting your allegations? What do you expect to happen?


I just cannot believe that the mods have agonised over this. This is a no brainer. If a post is so political and controversial that it is likely to create lots of debate then it should be moved. Yes let's have political debate but this is NOT the forum/board for it

 

[Tobes]

This is exactly what I meant earlier about overtly political posts. This is a football forum/board FFS. If you want to discuss politics go on a political forum. Should people who do not agree with your statements above start rebutting your allegations? What do you expect to happen?


I just cannot believe that the mods have agonised over this. This is a no brainer. If a post is so political and controversial that it is likely to create lots of debate then it should be moved. Yes let's have political debate but this is NOT the forum/board for it

Would you have the same view if the debate was about say, the forthcoming Scottish independance vote?

 

[carlthejackal]

Would you have the same view if the debate was about say, the forthcoming Scottish independance vote?

Of course. Are you saying I have an agenda to stifle that specific debate by Sisu?

I have no axe to grind. My political views are my own. It is just that it is boring to have one poster putting political posts here and it is either propaganda (if very few people engage him) or heated controversy (if people disagree). Yes, there is so much you can talk about in terms Sturridge and Henderson injuries. But this is not a suitable forum for heated political discussion.

 

[CCC]

. . . obviously you're free to go about things the way you see fit (within the rules of the forum) but I'm sure you'd get more out of people if you didn't ride them so hard.

Anybody? No? . . . Just me then.

What for saying it exactly how it is in regards to the patently obvious agenda of the Canadian WUM on this board? That makes me a 'brown nose'?

Grow up you silly little boy.

Is this the new banter thread? What's going on? Who am I? Are these my legs?

the Canadian version of Sheldon

He wishes.

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Bazinga!

 

[Foredeckdave]

Hardly a shocker that you were one of those complaining, but at least you have the stones to admit to it.

What I have an issue with, is that you took part in that debate and argued your stance and yet you then chose to stifle any further debate and have the discussion closed down. Excuse me if I come to my own conclusions as to why that was.

I did not stifle any debate and neither did I attempt to do so by any surreptitious way. If you cared to look at that thread you would have seen that any 'debate' had long since been ended. The thread had become a rant and containing more and more material of what dubious veracity. What I did was to make my feelings about that particular thread known to the Mods. The points that I made concerned the thread itself and its contents I did not demand any action against any individual. So once again your own conclusions appear to be incorrect when attempting to define my itentions.

 

[Tobes]

Of course. Are you saying I have an agenda to stifle that specific debate by Sisu?

I have no axe to grind. My political views are my own. It is just that it is boring to have one poster putting political posts here and it is either propaganda (if very few people engage him) or heated controversy (if people disagree). Yes, there is so much you can talk about in terms Sturridge and Henderson injuries. But this is not a suitable forum for heated political discussion.

No, given your comments about being upset by the content yesterday, I wondered if it was this issue that was the driver for your stance on the issue in general. You say not, fair enough mate, you want anything political keeping out of a football forum. The problem with that, is where you draw the line, as virtually any subject can veer offf onto a tangent that ends up being political. So it goes back to whether you want OT disussion, you might not, but the majority do.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

You are making an invalid point, that because I made by far most posts it was not being engaged in? No you are saying because I made most posts therefor the thread should be ditched? So my popularity rating with you and your chums decides if it should be closed?

Yet had Frank or Donga been making the majority of posts then it would have been fine and it would be pathetic of you to deny that simple fact, lie to yourself all you want, had some of your chums been making most posts then this post, you would not have made The thread would not have been moved either.

Sure I seen a thread closed (not one of mine) by you because RHC made an offhand comment on it about closing it, and you jumped on it.
Go Figure

Proof's in the pudding, your a cock

Or, you could of course read that comment in context with the conversation at the time of posting and stop worrying that there is some sort of conspiracy against you

As for the RHC bit; maybe, just maybe I thought the thread should be closed when I saw it and the fact that RHC had said something was purely coincidence? Or am I not allowed to have a similar opinion to another poster? God forbid a mod having their own opinion eh?

As I've said already, the thread wasn't closed or deleted, it was moved. It is still available for use, its just not on the Liverpool board. A decision was made by myself that I believed to be in the best interest of for all parties.

 

[Tobes]

I did not stifle any debate and neither did I attempt to do so by any surreptitious way. If you cared to look at that thread you would have seen that any 'debate' had long since been ended. The thread had become a rant and containing more and more material of what dubious veracity. What I did was to make my feelings about that particular thread known to the Mods. The points that I made concerned the thread itself and its contents I did not demand any action against any individual. So once again your own conclusions appear to be incorrect when attempting to define my itentions.

By asking for the thread to be closed you were seeking to close down the debate by definition, how can you possibly argue otherwise Dave?

You say that some of the content being posted was 'dubious' but chose not to challenge it on the thread itself, if it was 'dubious' as you suggest, then surely you could have exposed that fact and thus discredited it? Isn't that how a forum is supposed to work?

But no, you chose to ask for the removal of the entire piece, as I said, I'll draw my own conclusions as to your motives for choosing that route.

 

[carlthejackal]

...The problem with that, is where you draw the line, as any virtually any subject can veer offf onto a tangent that ends up being political.

I recognise it is difficult. That is why I said political with a capital P. Lots of stuff that we do are about politics (in the workplace, in the community, in the clubs). These are fine. But the ones that likely to create controversy and offend/upset (yes you said nothing should do that and you should be able to debate things) should be off limits. This is not censorship BTW . This is keeping order in a forum for the sake of the majority not the minority.

If the mods cannot recognise these posts then they probably should not be doing the job.

 

[CCC]

To quote Custard: Did we win?

 

[luvgonzo]

To quote Custard: Did we win?

We did not.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

carlthejackal the "propaganda" you mention.. really, the media silence is why I post it, because the media will not report the truth.

now that Hamas have stopped firing rockets and the brutality racism apartheid land grabbing and murder continue no one reports it, because they cannot blame Hamas or claim it is a "fight between two sides"

So it is all silenced, this is the reason the information was shared after the ceasefire which has been broken more than once by israel already.

Your word choice "porpaganda" is interesting and sheds light on your real motives however you try to conceal them As if anything I posted is untrue? nope, just facts like them or lump them that;s the reality for people in Palestine and non Jews in israel.

you might as well went full hog and said "Anti israel Propaganda"

 

[Tobes]

I recognise it is difficult. That is why I said political with a capital P. Lots of stuff that we do are about politics (in the workplace, in the community, in the clubs). These are fine. But the ones that likely to create controversy and offend/upset (yes you said nothing should do that and you should be able to debate things) should be off limits. This is not censorship BTW . This is keeping order in a forum for the sake of the majority not the minority.

If the mods cannot recognise these posts then they probably should not be doing the job.

I've no idea how any post about a political issue could possibly offend or upset anyone tbh. Politics arouses passion and often argument, but merely reading a political comment and being 'upset' by it, sorry don't get it.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I've no idea how any post about a political issue could possibly offend or upset anyone tbh. Politics arouses passion and often argument, but merely reading a political comment and being 'upset' by it, sorry don't get it.

it makes sense if you are Pro Israel

You are not allowed criticise Israel.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

It's pretty f**ing obvious it was moved because certain folk didn't like the perceived Israel bashing.


I mean there is genocide happening, and people are offended by talking about the crimes being committed but not the daily suffering of so many people in an open air prison.

my comments are offensive but killing over 520 children is not offensive. Oh wait, that was Hamas fault, but now Hamas are not firing and the crimes continue, any discussion on that little fact must not be tolerated.

 

[Foredeckdave]

By asking for the thread to be closed you were seeking to close down the debate by definition, how can you possibly argue otherwise Dave?

You say that some of the content being posted was 'dubious' but chose not to challenge it on the thread itself, if it was 'dubious' as you suggest, then surely you could have exposed that fact and thus discredited it? Isn't that how a forum is supposed to work?

But no, you chose to ask for the removal of the entire piece, as I said, I'll draw my own conclusions as to your motives for choosing that route.

Please read what is put to you. There was no debate, there was merely a rant that, in my opinion, which did nothing to enhance either the topic or the reputation of the board. I claimed no right for my opinion to be acted upon and the Mods themselves came to their own conclusions. I did not act in concert and have no idea what other comments the Mods were receiving. That they did take action is therefore not solely down to me even though I agree with their decision.

It's somewhat schizophrenic that you demand that I chase down Sisu's dubious posts and counter them with 'evidence' whilst you are allowed to rest upon the easy virtue of your own conclusions!

 

[carlthejackal]

carlthejackal the "propaganda" you mention.. really, the media silence is why I post it, because the media will not report the truth.

now that Hamas have stopped firing rockets and the brutality racism apartheid land grabbing and murder continue no one reports it, because they cannot blame Hamas or claim it is a "fight between two sides"

So it is all silenced, this is the reason the information was shared after the ceasefire which has been broken more than once by israel already.

Your word choice "porpaganda" is interesting and shed light on your real motives however you try to conceal them As if anything I posted is untrue? nope, just facts like them or lump them that;s the reality for people in Palestine and no Jews in israel.

I used the word "propaganda" because it has been used earlier in the thread. My real motives? I can honestly say that I have no position to hide in that specific issue that you've raised. And to be honest I am not bothered if you believe me or not. I have read some of your earlier political threads. The use of "propaganda" is not far off the mark if there is not a lot of deabte and you do most of the posts (as was said by someone else on this thread).


Just because I am against overt political threads on this football board I am now part of the Zionist conspiracy? If you knew me you wouldn't say that but I'll be arsed if I feel the need to explain myself here. The only known thing I have in common with you is that we support the same football club.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Also read, "I was interested in the thread at first but then got bored" or similar.

How does the massacre and enslavement and imprisonment of people for decades "get boring". it's not f**ing entertainment.

Typical of modern society, so accustomed to flavour of the month that the tragic suffering of an entire nation gets "boring"

others just had their core beliefs affronted and dropped out of the discussion in the face of the harsh truth.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

my comments are offensive but killing over 520 children is not offensive

Who the **** said killing people (let alone children) was not offensive...?