Scotch Independence - the countdown

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

  • Yes

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What? Why would they be in power forever?

It sounds like you see them as the answer to all Scotland's problems, as the other major parties have failed.

As much as I'd love the Greens to be elected one day, I seriously doubt it'll ever happen.
 
ST was blaming Westminster for f**ing things up, and I was just pointing out that lots of the top members of each of the parties in power were scottish or scottish roots.

You can't say that the English f**ed you over, it was a team effort.

There have been two Scottish Prime Ministers in the past 50 years - and Blair was more English than John Bull.


It sounds like you see them as the answer to all Scotland's problems, as the other major parties have failed.

As much as I'd love the Greens to be elected one day, I seriously doubt it'll ever happen.

I've never said the SNP was the answer to Scotland's problems. I'm suggesting we, the Scottish people, are better placed to run Scotland than Westminster.

I should also add that in the event of a Yes vote, Scottish Labour have the perfect opportunity to re-invent themselves as a slightly to the left-of-centre socialist party, which is something they abandoned, with disastrous consequences, a long time ago.
 
Blah, blah...didn't read.

Trillions in oil tax revenue. Massive austerity cuts. Current UK debt £1.4bn and rising.

You didn't read because you're ****ed. Checkmate my sausage-concealing friend.

Get back to chasing mushrooms through the Lothian woodlands and I'll get back to re-educating the spastics on here.
 
The Central Belt will bleed the prosperous parts of Scotland dry.

Malingering spongers just like Westminster.

It's a No from this sheepshagger.

Why would anyone want to support a bunch of vile, obnoxious, aggressive and violent Scotchies?? The non Scotchies must be thinking we are in Beirut or something.

Yes voters = ****s.

There, I've said what everyone else is thinking.
 
Pension crisis has three possible cures.

1) Worker-retiree ratio - raising the state retirement age is the main way to increase this.
2) Reduce non-contributer obligations (kind of what's happening just now)
3) Increase pot funds (raise taxes in the case of the state pensions - you can bring down expenditure via "austerity" but it's inversely proportional to revenue)

2 has been happening slowly for years and 1 is being slowly built in to every country's state pensions.

Which leaves 3 which is quite plainly not going to happen under the current political will in Westminster (not the tax raising bit anyway).

There are two ways to eradicate a deficit - it's like a diet, spend less or accrue more or both - currently, we're doing the former without the latter (doesn't have to be tax raises - you can sell assets but Britain has busted them already).


If only a country had some sort of natural resource that they could tax the extraction of to fund an ageing population. That would be too volatile, though.
 
Pension crisis has three possible cures.

1) Worker-retiree ratio - raising the state retirement age is the main way to increase this.
2) Reduce non-contributer obligations (kind of what's happening just now)
3) Increase pot funds (raise taxes in the case of the state pensions - you can bring down expenditure via "austerity" but it's inversely proportional to revenue)

2 has been happening slowly for years and 1 is being slowly built in to every country's state pensions.

Which leaves 3 which is quite plainly not going to happen under the current political will in Westminster (not the tax raising bit anyway).

There are two ways to eradicate a deficit - it's like a diet, spend less or accrue more or both - currently, we're doing the former without the latter (doesn't have to be tax raises - you can sell assets but Britain has busted them already).


If only a country had some sort of natural resource that they could tax the extraction of to fund an ageing population. That would be too volatile, though.

No **** in Scotland currently lives past 70 anyway. English pensioners are nicking about 15 years worth of payouts over you ****s.
 
Pensions scare the s**t out of me, admittedly (both in personal terms and state terms).

Being old and poor (and probably unable to work and bring more cash in) scares the s**t out of me more than anything.

Get your private pension sorted out when you're young, kids, and don't take "never-never" debt like student loans <ok>
 
Pensions scare the s**t out of me, admittedly (both in personal terms and state terms).

Being old and poor (and probably unable to work and bring more cash in) scares the s**t out of me more than anything.

Get your private pension sorted out when you're young, kids, and don't take "never-never" debt like student loans <ok>

Doesn't bother me at all - no wife, no kids, no property so provided I'm debt free I'll be more than willing to take a happy pill when the time comes.
 
**** yer debt

Quite so. If we don't get a share of the assets we don't take a share of the debt. That's not defaulting the debt, as some have claimed, because you can't have debt on what you don't own.
 
No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our own soil
No more psychological warfare, to trick us to thinking that we ain't loyal
If we don't serve our own country, we're patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes its all lies
The stars and stripes, they've been swiped, washed down in white
And replaced with his own face, Mosh now or die
If I get sniped tonight you know why,
Cause I told you to fight.