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I would respect anyone's views if it doesn't harm me or anyone else. I dislike the pain that religions have caused round the world...if I could wish some of them away and prevent death and wars I would do so, but doesn't mean I will insult a Muslim at his daily prayers, call a Christian an idiot, or throw a pig's head at a Jew. It's acase of respecting their rights to a view rather than the view itself. However, my opening sentence is the important thing...we should never pussyfoot around crimes or unacceptable behaviour on the grounds of religion.
 
Would you respect someone's view if they believed that all non-white, blond haired, blue eyed people should be destroyed/killed? It's a view. It's a view I don't agree with. It's also a view I can't respect.
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I already answered that question:

If their beliefs do not impinge on others, then there's no reason not to be respectful of theirs.
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I would say believing all non-white, blond haired blue eyed people should be destroyed is impinging others.

How DO you respect someone's view?
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I think that's fairly obvious.

I would respect anyone's views if it doesn't harm me or anyone else. I dislike the pain that religions have caused round the world...if I could wish some of them away and prevent death and wars I would do so, but doesn't mean I will insult a Muslim at his daily prayers, call a Christian an idiot, or throw a pig's head at a Jew. It's acase of respecting their rights to a view rather than the view itself. However, my opening sentence is the important thing...we should never pussyfoot around crimes or unacceptable behaviour on the grounds of religion.
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Brilliantly said Fran.

I should point out, I have no tolerance for racist, homophobic, sexist or fascist views. Nor should anyone really.
 
PompeyLapras said:
I already answered that question:



I would say believing all non-white, blond haired blue eyed people should be destroyed is impinging others.



I think that's fairly obvious.
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Well that's ducking answering the question... how do you respect someone's view? It is a serious question.

Although I used an extreme example, it just shows that you can not always respect someone's view.
 
fran-MLs little camera said:
I would respect anyone's views if it doesn't harm me or anyone else. I dislike the pain that religions have caused round the world...if I could wish some of them away and prevent death and wars I would do so, but doesn't mean I will insult a Muslim at his daily prayers, call a Christian an idiot, or throw a pig's head at a Jew. It's acase of respecting their rights to a view rather than the view itself. However, my opening sentence is the important thing...we should never pussyfoot around crimes or unacceptable behaviour on the grounds of religion.
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Well said, Fran. Thee essence of tolerance and understanding.
 
Although I used an extreme example, it just shows that you can not always respect someone's view.
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I never said you could always respect someone's view.

Well that's ducking answering the question... how do you respect someone's view? It is a serious question.
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Respecting someone's opinion is about accepting their right to have a particular view, even if it's a view you disagree with, so long as their view is not in anyway impinging on other's rights, either as a person or in terms of their rights to have an opinion. It therefore consists of not mocking, insulting or being prejudice towards someone or their views. For example, I strongly dislike the Labour party and Milliband, however if you support Labour (I dunno if you do, just an example), I would respect and accept that, as long as you didn't start calling me Tory scum or something. In return, I would expect you to accept that I support the Conservatives. Likewise, to go back to the video I posted which started this whole conversation, I would not respect the views of that guy's family because their views are prejudice towards others (i.e. that guy, and homosexuality as a whole).
 
fatletiss said:
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well you suggested Vin had to.
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If the view in question does not impinge on other person's rights, then yes, you probably should. And not doing so makes one seem like a bit of a dick. I did mention this caveat in my previous post addressedf to him, see below:

me said:
If their beliefs do not impinge on others, then there's no reason not to be respectful of theirs.
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I don't think you can treat religious beliefs in the same way as political outlooks. Faith is what the name implies, something you believe in for whatever reason, but which you haven't necessarily sat down and decided upon rationally. In that case, I agree that you should respect other people's beliefs. Political views on the other hand are there for arguing with, that's what they are for. If someone says they are a supporter of a political party or movement I disagree with, then I have an absolute right to question that support, as long as I don't resort to personal abuse.
 
ChilcoSaint said:
I don't think you can treat religious beliefs in the same way as political outlooks. Faith is what the name implies, something you believe in for whatever reason, but which you haven't necessarily sat down and decided upon rationally. In that case, I agree that you should respect other people's beliefs. Political views on the other hand are there for arguing with, that's what they are for. If someone says they are a supporter of a political party or movement I disagree with, then I have an absolute right to question that support, as long as I don't resort to personal abuse.
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Nothing wrong with debating politics, or even religion, as long as you do so in a respectful manner and recognise that just because their views are different to yours, doesn't make them 'wrong'.
 
TheSecondStain said:
I'm told by my niece that the kewl thing to do in Brighton is to wander through all the various charity shops. I must admit, I did check a few out myself, looking through all the discarded LPs. Then onto the record shops themselves. Then the pub.
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I wouldn't know much about cool things TSS!
 
PompeyLapras said:
Nothing wrong with debating politics, or even religion, as long as you do so in a respectful manner and recognise that just because their views are different to yours, doesn't make them 'wrong'.
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My point was that if I hypothetically disagree with your religion I would still respect your right to believe in it and I wouldn't try and change your views. If your politics were fundamentally opposed to what I thought, I wouldn't hesitate to try and change your mind.
 
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