Scotch Independence - the countdown

[ManDingo 20"/20"]

^^ waste product of a pishy social estate with maniac peers.

Wouldn't that be a more apt description of you?

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Here Mick, any chance of posting a link to people/groups calling for a 1970s model of everyone living in tower blocks?

It was a actually a 1950s policy but let's not split hairs.

I don't think anyone has but it's happening anyway - they're going up around me at a rate of knots. They were not supposed to stink of piss but I got caught short on my way home last night.

 

[Mick]

Here Mick, any chance of posting a link to people/groups calling for a 1970s model of everyone living in tower blocks?

It was a actually a 1950s policy but let's not split hairs.

David Harvey in particular has been going on about 'the right to the city' from the 60's and still hasn't ****ed up about it even after the obvious failure of densely populated social schemes - there has even been a relaunch of the campaign http://www.righttothecity.org

Recent articles:

http://newleftreview.org/II/53/david-harvey-the-right-to-the-city
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/15156/on-why-struggles-over-urban-space-matter_an-interv

 

[Mick]

Wouldn't that be a more apt description of you?

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I went to a Grammar school - thank you very much social mobility

 

[The Raging Oxter]

David Harvey in particular has been going on about 'the right to the city' from the 60's and still hasn't f**ed up about it even after the obvious failure of densely populated social schemes - there has even been a relaunch of the campaign http://www.righttothecity.org

Recent articles:

http://newleftreview.org/II/53/david-harvey-the-right-to-the-city
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/15156/on-why-struggles-over-urban-space-matter_an-interv

That's a s**te effort Mick. A really s**te effort. Like me offering up the ramblings of Peter Hitchens as examples of the Right.

There is no widespread call by the 'Left' for a return to high rise social housing so stop talking s**te.

 

[ManDingo 20"/20"]

I went to a Grammar school - thank you very much social mobility

Is that like an Academy or something?

Theres a School called "the Grammar" here but its mostly full of mutants.

 

[Spurf]

Nah, I didn't see it - I don't watch much BBC. I'm just pointing out that I see a lot of 'things must change' without much of a plan of what you would do different (outside the obligatory 'chuck more money' at it response). I think the problem in a lot of these social estates is the culture - study after study has shown that kids are influenced a lot by their parents, but mostly by their peers. So when you have a load of lowly educated maniac people concentrated in the one place you are condemning a good percentage of their children to be maniacs. As an example, a teacher in a normal school might be able to deal with one or two unruly students, but when you have 10 of them in the one class in a social estate it condemns the rest of the kids in that class to a **** education. So aye, I think well intentioned social housing schemes have failed generations of people who have lived in them - and yet there are still calls on the Left for a return to the 1970's model of everyone living in social tower blocks that stink of pish.

My solution would be basically Thatcherite - keep selling off the social estates and try spread as many socially-dependent families among the general populace as possible (with government subsidised rent). Little Jim Bob with a single alcoholic parent will have a much better chance in life if all his mates come from nice families (with only a moderate level of alcoholism like me!).

Left and Right might be simplistic and outdated, but we've no better terms in common usage. Believe me I wish it was different, I can't be annoyed explaining every time that I'm a Liberal, but not an 'American Liberal', nor a Liberal Democrat, etc.

I would prefer we went back to the Harold Wilson idea of a government Housing Corporation that was responsible for funding schemes, which were then picked up be Architects, Buliders and Soliciters who found the land and built the schemes, which were then past on to the tennents either as co-ownership or cost rent. These were all small scale housing in decent areas. It enabled people to have the kind of house that they needed for their family and also have a stake in the place.

This was destroyed by Thatcher.

 

[Mick]

That's a s**te effort Mick. A really s**te effort. Like me offering up the ramblings of Peter Hitchens as examples of the Right.

There is no widespread call by the 'Left' for a return to high rise social housing so stop talking s**te.

When I say "there are still calls on the left", I didn't mean every single person who is a Lefty is making this call.

And, um, I don't think it is a piss poor effort - Harvey as an academic isn't exactly a journalist like Peter Hitchins, he's self-described as 'the world's leading Marxist thinker' and he's been one of the big public intellectual backers of the Occupy movement, along with Chomsky.

 

[Girvan Loyal 1690]

Wouldn't that be a more apt description of you?

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Bonnies are getting bigger every year

 

[The Raging Oxter]

When I say "there are still calls on the left", I didn't mean every single person who is a Lefty is making this call.

And, um, I don't think it is a piss poor effort - Harvey as an academic isn't exactly a journalist like Peter Hitchins, he's self-described as 'the world's leading Marxist thinker' and he's been one of the big public intellectual backers of the Occupy movement, along with Chomsky.

Yes, but who the f** cares what one or two people that 99.9999% of the population haven't heard of have to say? No one, that's who. To offer it up as in some way representative of the Left is ridiculously stupid. And to think that a Marxist is a typical example of the Left is equally as stupid.

Your biggest problem is you spend too much time trawling the internet reading the bletherings of obscure people who have too high an opinion of themselves then you pass it off as the views of a section of society, the Left in this case. You remind me of those eager beaver students who spend hours searching for the most obscure references they can in the belief that it makes them appear more intellectual than their peers when all in fact it does is show that they fail to grasp the subject at hand.

Now f** off you pretentious c**t.

 

[Mick]

Yes, but who the f** cares what one or two people that 99.9999% of the population haven't heard of have to say? No one, that's who. To offer it up as in some way representative of the Left is ridiculously stupid. And to think that a Marxist is a typical example of the Left is equally as stupid.

Your biggest problem is you spend too much time trawling the internet reading the bletherings of obscure people who have too high an opinion of themselves then you pass it off as the views of a section of society, the Left in this case. You remind me of those eager beaver students who spend hours searching for the most obscure references they can in the belief that it makes them appear more intellectual than their peers when all in fact it does is show that they fail to grasp the subject at hand.

Now f** off you pretentious c**t.

I wrote an opinion as a reply to someone else - you butted in and asked "any chance of posting a link to people/group" - I give you a link to someone quite prominent (with hundreds of thousands of Google results https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q="david+harvey"&safe=off).

I don't think that me having actually read one of Harvey's ****e books and having him to hand to skelp your arse is pretentious - genuinely thinking you are better than everyone else is http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/273490-Fifers?p=6904977&viewfull=1#post6904977

 

[The Raging Oxter]

I wrote an opinion as a reply to someone else - you butted in and asked "any chance of posting a link to people/group" - I give you a link to someone quite prominent (with hundreds of thousands of Google results https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q="david+harvey"&safe=off).

I don't think that me having actually read one of Harvey's ****e books and having him to hand to skelp your arse is pretentious - genuinely thinking you are better than everyone else is http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/273490-Fifers?p=6904977&viewfull=1#post6904977

One man = 'the Left'.

Away to **** you tiresome twat. And it's not my fault I'm better than you. I'm not so insecure I have to trawl the internet looking for obscure references to try and pass myself off as intelligent. In fact, I don't think you have an opinion on anything - you just pass off other people's as your own.

Mick = never had an original thought in his life.

 

[Gambol]

Fight!

 

[DevAdvocate]

Look away Martha. Scud.

 

[Mick]

One man = 'the Left'.

Away to **** you tiresome twat. And it's not my fault I'm better than you. I'm not so insecure I have to trawl the internet looking for obscure references to try and pass myself off as intelligent. In fact, I don't think you have an opinion on anything - you just pass off other people's as your own.

Mick = never had an original thought in his life.

I also gave you a group http://www.righttothecity.org/ - that's both an individual and the group that you asked for, which means you were skelped

I wasn't trawling the internet - I've genuinely read up on it.

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I don't think you quite understand how education works - that, you know, learn from other people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants

 

[The Raging Oxter]

I also gave you a group http://www.righttothecity.org/ - that's both an individual and the group that you asked for, which means you were skelped

I wasn't trawling the internet - I've genuinely read up on it.

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I don't think you quite understand how education works - that, you know, learn from other people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants

That's really interesting Mick. I'm going out campaigning when the Celtic game finishes. You'll be reading other people's views on the internet. There, in a nutshell, is the difference between us.

 

[Spurf]

Nah, I didn't see it - I don't watch much BBC. I'm just pointing out that I see a lot of 'things must change' without much of a plan of what you would do different (outside the obligatory 'chuck more money' at it response). I think the problem in a lot of these social estates is the culture - study after study has shown that kids are influenced a lot by their parents, but mostly by their peers. So when you have a load of lowly educated maniac people concentrated in the one place you are condemning a good percentage of their children to be maniacs. As an example, a teacher in a normal school might be able to deal with one or two unruly students, but when you have 10 of them in the one class in a social estate it condemns the rest of the kids in that class to a **** education. So aye, I think well intentioned social housing schemes have failed generations of people who have lived in them - and yet there are still calls on the Left for a return to the 1970's model of everyone living in social tower blocks that stink of pish.

My solution would be basically Thatcherite - keep selling off the social estates and try spread as many socially-dependent families among the general populace as possible (with government subsidised rent). Little Jim Bob with a single alcoholic parent will have a much better chance in life if all his mates come from nice families (with only a moderate level of alcoholism like me!).

Left and Right might be simplistic and outdated, but we've no better terms in common usage. Believe me I wish it was different, I can't be annoyed explaining every time that I'm a Liberal, but not an 'American Liberal', nor a Liberal Democrat, etc.

On the subject of the Wicked Witch, you do realise that her selling off of social housing meant that all her mates could get rich by renting out houses. The rent of course paid by the government in the form of housing benefit. This enable the present shower in Westminster to quote big figures that are being paid in benefits to scrotes without telling us that most of this benefit is going to themselves and their landlord chums.

So all that does is land the state with huge benefit bills and NO property. THis is like owning your own house but deciding to flog it off and then passing the funds to your mate down the street who then rents the house back to you. Both of you then take the money **** off to las vegas and blow it on the tables.

Yeah great idea Mick.

 

[ManDingo 20"/20"]

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[Mick]

That's really interesting Mick. I'm going out campaigning when the Celtic game finishes. You'll be reading other people's views on the internet. There, in a nutshell, is the difference between us.

Good stuff, although do try to avoid the Pound store riff-raff, while you're out there campaigning to help the Pound store riff-raff.

 

[RAVENBLACK]

ST fails yet again.