Scotch Independence - the countdown

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

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CITIZEN SNIPS said:
I'm not ill informed, you are... or you're living in a haggis induced haze.

You think that the socialist rhetoric spouted by the left in the Yes camp will encourage wealthy people to stay here or move here?

I want to believe the independence is for the best, you seem to think it's the only viable option as the UK is "****ed" in your opinion even though it's the fastest growing developed economy in the world.
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You are unbelievable. Do you NEED wealthy people to look after you? Are you afraid all on your little own? I am a business man not a socialists. Capitalism is the natural order of human beings any other system requires imposition and discipline which the human race clearly does not have.

However Capitalism does not have to be the neo-liberal version which eventualy explodes (as it has, the crash!) this system gradually reduces our customers (The mass of the populus) to a state where they cannot afford to buy things.

At the moment Scotland, like the rest of the UK is in the grip of neo-liberalism which is frantically selling everything it can lay its hands on. This is no better than the the post war Labour party nationalising everything it could lay its hands on. If we continue down this road we will all face ruin, except of course the very fattest cats who will simply move somewhere else. This is how Britain became 'Great' we went around the world exploiting the resources of others. Now we using that same tactic on our own people bcause all the rest are now INDEPENDENT. Get it?
 
Spurf said:
You are unbelievable. Do you NEED wealthy people to look after you? Are you afraid all on your little own? I am a business man not a socialists. Capitalism is the natural order of human beings any other system requires imposition and discipline which the human race clearly does not have.

However Capitalism does not have to be the neo-liberal version which eventualy explodes (as it has, the crash!) this system gradually reduces our customers (The mass of the populus) to a state where they cannot afford to buy things.

At the moment Scotland, like the rest of the UK is in the grip of neo-liberalism which is frantically selling everything it can lay its hands on. This is no better than the the post war Labour party nationalising everything it could lay its hands on. If we continue down this road we will all face ruin, except of course the very fattest cats who will simply move somewhere else. This is how Britain became 'Great' we went around the world exploiting the resources of others. Now we using that same tactic on our own people bcause all the rest are now INDEPENDENT. Get it?
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^^****^^
 
Spurf said:
You are unbelievable. Do you NEED wealthy people to look after you? Are you afraid all on your little own? I am a business man not a socialists. Capitalism is the natural order of human beings any other system requires imposition and discipline which the human race clearly does not have.

However Capitalism does not have to be the neo-liberal version which eventualy explodes (as it has, the crash!) this system gradually reduces our customers (The mass of the populus) to a state where they cannot afford to buy things.

At the moment Scotland, like the rest of the UK is in the grip of neo-liberalism which is frantically selling everything it can lay its hands on. This is no better than the the post war Labour party nationalising everything it could lay its hands on. If we continue down this road we will all face ruin, except of course the very fattest cats who will simply move somewhere else. This is how Britain became 'Great' we went around the world exploiting the resources of others. Now we using that same tactic on our own people bcause all the rest are now INDEPENDENT. Get it?
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****** Alert ^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Spurf said:
You are unbelievable. Do you NEED wealthy people to look after you? Are you afraid all on your little own? I am a business man not a socialists. Capitalism is the natural order of human beings any other system requires imposition and discipline which the human race clearly does not have.

However Capitalism does not have to be the neo-liberal version which eventualy explodes (as it has, the crash!) this system gradually reduces our customers (The mass of the populus) to a state where they cannot afford to buy things.

At the moment Scotland, like the rest of the UK is in the grip of neo-liberalism which is frantically selling everything it can lay its hands on. This is no better than the the post war Labour party nationalising everything it could lay its hands on. If we continue down this road we will all face ruin, except of course the very fattest cats who will simply move somewhere else. This is how Britain became 'Great' we went around the world exploiting the resources of others. Now we using that same tactic on our own people bcause all the rest are now INDEPENDENT. Get it?
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So, how you going to stop the Neo-Liberalism in an independent Scotland?
 
Spurf said:
You are unbelievable. Do you NEED wealthy people to look after you? Are you afraid all on your little own? I am a business man not a socialists. Capitalism is the natural order of human beings any other system requires imposition and discipline which the human race clearly does not have.
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You are clearly an excitably deranged porridge-wog. I don't need anyone to look after me. You are a business man? That's great.

Spurf said:
However Capitalism does not have to be the neo-liberal version which eventualy explodes (as it has, the crash!) this system gradually reduces our customers (The mass of the populus) to a state where they cannot afford to buy things.
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Capitalism will always result in busts. Always has, always will. If everything grew infinitely, then we would have millions of everything. I'm not saying our system of Cronyism Capitalism is great, I don't see why we should gamble the future on a flight of fancy that could weaken the whole state (Scotland and the residual UK). Of course, the opposite could happen, though I don't see the SNP offering up how they will achieve that.

Spurf said:
At the moment Scotland, like the rest of the UK is in the grip of neo-liberalism which is frantically selling everything it can lay its hands on. This is no better than the the post war Labour party nationalising everything it could lay its hands on. If we continue down this road we will all face ruin, except of course the very fattest cats who will simply move somewhere else. This is how Britain became 'Great' we went around the world exploiting the resources of others. Now we using that same tactic on our own people bcause all the rest are now INDEPENDENT. Get it?
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Apart from completely contradicting yourself, regarding neoliberalsim and nationalising, can you tell me how Scotland will operate differently? In case you hadn't noticed, the Jocks have always been well represented in various UK governments, endorsing the economics of the state. What makes you think that the Westminster Jocks will not come 'home' and implement neoliberalsim here, or nationalise everything again?

You are not offering anything to the debate, convince me to vote Yes. (If I lived in Scotland that is) Your negative scare stories are no better than the No folks.
 
MalteseMick said:
So, how you going to stop the Neo-Liberalism in an independent Scotland?
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Good question Mick and there are no guarantees of course but Scotland by its very nature is more likley to elect a left of centre government than a right wing government. The Labour party would heve to revert to something like its original self to become electable and anyway it would not be under pressure to appeal to so called middle Englanders as it has to now. The common Weal http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/common-weal-splits-from-reid-foundation.24935918 Is an example of how a growing number of people are looking at new ways for an Independent Scotland to be.

There is no point in voting for Independence just to become a smaller version of the Westminster project. This YES movement is now big enough and diverse enough that it will continue whatever the outcome of THIS referrendum, it's not going away, any time soon. I am working with Business for Scotland which I have mentioned before, this is over 2200 |Scottish companies who realise the potential of an Independent Scotland to have a prosporous exciting future rather just more of the austerity from Westminster so that they can finish their rape job. http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/
 
CITIZEN SNIPS said:
You are clearly an excitably deranged porridge-wog. I don't need anyone to look after me. You are a business man? That's great.



Capitalism will always result in busts. Always has, always will. If everything grew infinitely, then we would have millions of everything. I'm not saying our system of Cronyism Capitalism is great, I don't see why we should gamble the future on a flight of fancy that could weaken the whole state (Scotland and the residual UK). Of course, the opposite could happen, though I don't see the SNP offering up how they will achieve that.



Apart from completely contradicting yourself, regarding neoliberalsim and nationalising, can you tell me how Scotland will operate differently? In case you hadn't noticed, the Jocks have always been well represented in various UK governments, endorsing the economics of the state. What makes you think that the Westminster Jocks will not come 'home' and implement neoliberalsim here, or nationalise everything again?

You are not offering anything to the debate, convince me to vote Yes. (If I lived in Scotland that is) Your negative scare stories are no better than the No folks.
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See my reply to Mick <ok>
 
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