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Le Tissier's Laces said:
It's as always just very difficult to make a call without actually having the absolute facts to hand. So all we can do is decide who to believe and then argue about who believed the right person. It's just very sad that the cornerstone players of our club have come to this now.

Oh well. If anyone can, Koeman can.
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What facts are you looking to know?
 
Le Tissier's Laces said:
It's as always just very difficult to make a call without actually having the absolute facts to hand. So all we can do is decide who to believe and then argue about who believed the right person. It's just very sad that the cornerstone players of our club have come to this now.

Oh well. If anyone can, Koeman can.
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Of course, and as I've said on other threads, I don't think anyone can really come out of this totally blameless. Cortese, Kat, Kruger, Les, Poch, players, **** even the FA aren't blameless in this scenario. There are no white and black hats. However I think there is clearly good intentions from some parties and bad ones from others that are quite easy to identify.
 
James G said:
Of course, and as I've said on other threads, I don't think anyone can really come out of this totally blameless. Cortese, Kat, Kruger, Les, Poch, players, **** even the FA aren't blameless in this scenario. There are no white and black hats. However I think there is clearly good intentions from some parties and bad ones from others that are quite easy to identify.
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A quite perfect storm of clusterfuck.

I doubt it would be possible to bring this scenario about ever again, even if you tried really, really hard!
 
Beefy said:
What facts are you looking to know?
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What Morgan has/hasn't been told from the time the new regime took over; whether negotiations beyond a simple bid had taken place with Tottenham over a sale; if they had happened, what stage said negotiations were at.
 
Le Tissier's Laces said:
A quite perfect storm of clusterfuck.

I doubt it would be possible to bring this scenario about ever again, even if you tried really, really hard!
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Oh it's undoubtedly a fiasco. A caper of quite unprecedented and marvelous complexity which may make a great book some day ("The Greatest Team That Never Was". That's trademarked by the way.)

But the good thing about your classic fiasco is there's usually a white hat who makes it out okay. They usually are altered, wounded or otherwise traumatised, but they get across the line in the end. When the window closes we'll get our blue line under everything and I'm fairly confident we'll be looking okay.
 
I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
Until one of the players steps up and explains themselves, that's gonna be my assumption.
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Even if that does happen, we can't really trust it. If Morgan wants to move and has agreed (I'm sure very substantial) terms with Spurs and has gone as far as to pitch a fit about not being sold, can we trust his comments as truth? I'd be taking them with an enormous dollop of sceptical sauce. We come back to it time and time again but really it is very hard to tell right now, too much misinformation (from all sides). We can only review much further down the line.
 
Posted on another thread, but seeing as Morgan is dominating proceedings here too

Sounds like he was promised a move last summer by Cortese

Clarification of Southampton Schneiderlin

Following our article yesterday on cravings Katharina Liebherr find a wealthy buyer to give the Saints, President Ralph Krueger broke his silence, ensuring that the club was not for sale, and then Morgan Schneiderlin and Jay Rodriguez would not leave. Explanations.

"They will be in our workforce next season. They will not be sold, "said Krueger told the BBC. Words that are reminiscent of Les Reed, the Executive Director, in recent months. Here are some examples from the official website of the Saints: "We (with Mauricio Pochettino) talk every day and sometimes several times a day. I think there is a lot of misinformation. "; "The articles saying that we would be close to a deal with some players are totally erroneous and false [...] We want to build on this season. We want to improve our workforce to go further. We want to keep the players we have. They are all under contract [...] Every information will probably end with a: no, it is not for sale. "

Southampton takes people for truffles
Football, and more Premier League, is a world of artifice and image. All that shows is often manipulated, worked upstream. The media play their role to perfection puppet, just to turn the store obviously. But let us be clear for months Southampton takes people for truffles - and especially his fans, everything is geared to not lose face vis-à-vis them - and cash big tickets.
There has been all possible denials and agreed in the press on certain transfers leaks - including Lallana - forever playing on the idea that the villain is the player. Note also that only the transfer of Rickie Lambert went perfectly in the negotiations and output. Oddly, this is the least expensive (about £ 4 million with bonus) ...

To give another example of shameless manipulation, talking about social programs of English clubs - especially in the Premier League - and donations to charity. Beautiful in appearance, except that everything is calculated and staged. Very few players do it naturally and without camera as Sagna

In short, it does not have to be clairvoyant to understand that the Premier League, like every business in the world, seeks to raise the most benefits. To give another example of shameless manipulation, talking about social programs of English clubs - PL especially - and donations to charity. Beautiful in appearance, except that everything is calculated and staged. Very few players do it naturally and without camera as Sagna. Then the little secret that cache, is that these donations are used to obtain reduced rates / taxes (note, the investigation of the Independent was very revealing. Jerome Latta's blog, the editor of Cahiers du Football, speaks for those wanting to know more). Not to achieve a noble cause.

This is parallel to the situation in Southampton today. Never, oh never great, Katharina Liebherr will not sell! One, it would be wrong to negotiate with potential buyers, they know they are in a strong position and the price will be lower. Two, communicating so, Krueger wants to make people understand, "No, we do not want to sell, but look, it's the players who want to leave! "
In England, there is the famous "transfer request" that some players use as Ross McCormack, Captain Leeds (D2) party Fulham (D2) there a few weeks ago for £ 11 million. The aim of the leaders of Southampton is simple: that Schneiderlin and Rodriguez use this method, which ensures a better image contrast for club and players.

Schneiderlin was from last year, but did not pay attention
Following a meeting with management, the French tweeted: "6 years of an amazing journey # saintsfc DESTROYED in 1 hour! "This tweet is not a knee-jerk reaction, we have been well confirmed. You should know that "Spiderman" was already a big club from last summer, but has not said anything or done, having obtained the promise that he could join a major training next summer if good offer. A promise unfulfilled course, like to keep a competitive team. Turkey stuffing, it will be interesting to see if the drive tomorrow.

If this is not the case, it is not suitable reaction, of course. But the same question arises for Jay Rodriguez if he was not still recovering after his rupture of the cruciate ligaments. Honestly, that seems the most avid between these two players and leaders Southampton who had commissioned the co-founder of an American company exceeding 3 billion specializing in buyouts, sales and capital increases for a wealthy buyer I need regular.
Morality, both sides are at loggerheads. None will use a clever way and nobody will emerge strengthened. Problem Schneiderlin saw all the best players from even Adam Lallana, Captain. This is not Europe that you aim today is no longer the ambitious Cortese. This inevitably weigh in choosing a French international with firm offers from several European clubs ...
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I really do feel this is going to be a case of ridding ourselves of certain individuals (in the playing staff), so that we can cultivate a new culture and environment, under Koeman.

Once we've got to that stage, we can start to see things settle and progress forwards again. But it's totally reliant on staying up this season.

I believe the board have good intentions for the club, but have ultimately been quite incompetent in places, not helped by certain characters who have left and some who still remain in our dressing room. Lots of politics, at current.
 
saintlyhero said:
Posted on another thread, but seeing as Morgan is dominating proceedings here too

Sounds like he was promised a move last summer by Cortese
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If this is all true then I'm sure he has it in writing and would be able to leverage it. However he also signed a new long-term contract last year so this doesn't quite add up to me.

Plus the fact that it's reported by someone who he is very close to and has not been announced or covered by any of the usual sources. Journalistic OR ITK.
 
saintlyhero said:
Posted on another thread, but seeing as Morgan is dominating proceedings here too

Sounds like he was promised a move last summer by Cortese
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I'd just like to point something out...

Lallana
Schneiderlin
Chambers
Shaw

All signed deals in the last 12-18 months and I've read in several places that they were 'promised' by Nicola they could have their move in 12 months' time, should one of the bigger clubs in this league come in for them. Now I don't really know the entirety of this situation, but it seems plausible for me. Maybe Nicola knew things were going to get rough (we know he had issues with Kat before that summer and also during that summer), so tied them over until now, knowing that he'd likely be out of the picture by then?

I guess we'll never really know, but it does seem quite plausible and is a suggestion I've heard in both the media and from those at SFC.
 
Well done the board on this matter. For all the slagging off towards Morgan, I'd just point one thing out. I think he has t been allowed to go because he is our best player. I hope he settles down and gets on with it. I hope Jose and Jos both helped him move his stuff and have a quiet word with him over the next few weeks. I hope the fans ignore that tweet, as bad as it was because we can then have a quality Morgan Schneiderlin in our team next season. What he posted is very wrong, but I actually hope he gets through this, the fans give him a chance to get through it and don't boo him, because I don't want that quality rotting in our reserves. I want him dictating games and taking us to win a game at Wembley when the other f**kers win nothing.

Of all the players rumoured to go or have gone, he is the real quality. We got him in the French World Cup squad and he's now on the radar. Yes Morgan, SFC got you your dream.

Give him one chance, please.

#sillyfrenchbugger
 
James G said:
Even if that does happen, we can't really trust it. If Morgan wants to move and has agreed (I'm sure very substantial) terms with Spurs and has gone as far as to pitch a fit about not being sold, can we trust his comments as truth? I'd be taking them with an enormous dollop of sceptical sauce. We come back to it time and time again but really it is very hard to tell right now, too much misinformation (from all sides). We can only review much further down the line.
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I wouldn't automatically take MS's side of the story as truth. But pitching a fit on twitter implying you were mistreated without any explanation as to how is just lame. My respect for these guys is bordering on 0.

If he were to go public, I might actually believe him. Or I might believe a little of what he says and a little of what the club says. There's so much going on that is weird I'd probably have to give at least a little credence to any semi-plausible explanation. But even if I believe none of it, but I might decide that at least Schneiderlin though wrong genuinely believes it and is at least trying (mistakenly and misguidedly) to make things better. In any those events, I'd respect him more than now.

I mean, come on. If you really feel like you were horribly mistreated-- first by the club, and now by many fans-- wouldn't you at least try to defend yourself? If you don't, then my assumption is you have no defense.
 
I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
I wouldn't automatically take MS's side of the story as truth. But pitching a fit on twitter implying you were mistreated without any explanation as to how is just lame. My respect for these guys is bordering on 0.

If he were to go public, I might actually believe him. Or I might believe a little of what he says and a little of what the club says. There's so much going on that is weird I'd probably have to give at least a little credence to any semi-plausible explanation. But even if I believe none of it, but I might decide that at least Schneiderlin though wrong genuinely believes it and is at least trying (mistakenly and misguidedly) to make things better. In any those events, I'd respect him more than now.

I mean, come on. If you really feel like you were horribly mistreated-- first by the club, and now by many fans-- wouldn't you at least try to defend yourself? If you don't, then my assumption is you have no defense.
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The line I fear getting trotted out again here is the "Ambition" angle, as Lovren did. It's such a loose, nonsense point to make and only serves to say nothing at all and get people fired up against the club. I've seen many arguments about "Ambition" between people without two brain cells to rub together, when in this situation, ambition purely seems to be a synonym for "Money".
 
Beefy said:
****ing hell Krueger can't do any right with you.
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And is he doing right for you? For me he is, but I have been saying this all along. You, on the other hand, yesterday were all like 'we shouldn't keep players who don't want to be here', so what changed there?

I'm only wondering why the board has't discovered their backbone a little earlier this summer.
 
SouthamptonFCroatia said:
And is he doing right for you? For me he is, but I have been saying this all along. You, on the other hand, yesterday were all like 'we shouldn't keep players who don't want to be here', so what changed there?

I'm only wondering why the board has't discovered their backbone a little earlier this summer.
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Line has to drawn some where. Hopefully Morgan will knuckle down and continue how he played last season (I still have doubts he will). We have got rid of the worse offenders, some of the stuff I have been told happened made there no other choice. Now it's time to actually start spending cash and rebuild our squad with people that want to play for us. Yes this season will be hard, but I believe we will stay up. Hopefully both Jay and morgan are with us even if it is just for one more season to steady the ship.
 
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