Scotch Independence - the countdown

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

  • Yes

  • No

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ER - stuck in a home, will vote whichever way his nurse tells him to vote. Hopefully the nurse is a Yes voter.

EDGE - one day Yes, one day No. Either a woman or very much in touch with his feminine side, ie. a chicken queen.

Nev - just yer typical hun really. Devoted to any powerful white man that flashes his arse at him, gullible to the point that he defended Craig Whyte even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the c**t was a crook. Feels embarrassed to be Scottish and wishes he was English. We wish he was English too.

Stopme, archers - English. Live in England. Not eligible to vote. Their opinion doesn't matter - on any issue.
 
CITIZEN SNIPS said:
What's the point in Independence if we're going to share the same currency? What's the point in Independence when the Bank of ENGLAND will govern interest rates, issue bonds, be in charge of further QE which could destabilise the currency?

Then Salmond's secret policy which he dare not mention to the socialists is that he's going to undercut the Nigels when it comes to Corporation Tax to tempt business' to Scotland, much like the Irish have done. How will the BoE or indeed, the rUK think of that?

FFS, if you're going independent, then use your own currency?
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I agree. We should have our own currency. I was just pointing out the lameness of them dragging this issue up time and again.

However, if currency union makes economic sense to all parties then why not? Or, why not have currency union with Europe, if that made economic sense.

Am tired of hearing about this red herring of an issue.
 
The BBC should probably think about issuing a public warning before it starts broadcasting the Commonwealth Games from Glasgow tonight. Something along the lines of ‘viewers of a nervous disposition should look away now (and for the next two weeks)’. That should cover it.

Why? Because, for some English viewers, the coverage from Glasgow 2014 might be more than a bit unsettling.

Here we are, just eight weeks from the referendum on Scottish independence and our screens are suddenly going to be filled with kilts, Saltires and songs dedicated to sending the English ‘home tae think again’.

Even the official emblem of the Glasgow Games – a jaggy thistle – seems to have been deliberately designed to prickle and get underneath those prissy white strips worn by the dastardly English.

As a result, for the next two weeks it really will seem as if the English (as well as the Welsh and Northern Irish) will be competing in a different country: and that is exactly how Alex Salmond wants it to look.

But – and it is a big and important one – neither athletes nor spectators should get too het up about such overt, in-your-face Scottishness. There is a world of difference between the national pride on show in Glasgow and those who support independence.

Salmond believed, right from the moment he announced his planned timetable for the referendum, that the Commonwealth Games would provide the Yes campaign with a massive emotional and electoral boost just weeks before polling day.

All those tears and cheers and renditions of Flower of Scotland, they couldn’t help but give the Nationalists a lift – well, that was the theory anyway.

But there is one lesson that SNP leaders don’t ever seem to have learned and that is that Scottish patriotism and support for Scottish independence do not amount to the same thing.

So, however alien and difficult an environment the English athletes may find themselves in (there have already been strong denials from Nationalists that English athletes will be booed in Glasgow) this should not be interpreted as anything other than normal, over-the-top Scottish patriotism.

Any English supporter who has been to Murrayfield for a Calcutta Cup match knows how virulently passionate the Scottish fans can be. They cheer every English mistake and make Flower of Scotland sound more like a war cry than the mournful dirge it is.

Yet almost all of those rugby fans, who are so fiercely anti-English on the ground, become well-educated, well-off, middle-class Edinburgh folk as soon as they leave the stadium. Indeed, most of those Scots patriots would no more think of voting independence than they would selling their New Town houses and moving into a peace camp.

Salmond has wanted for years to have a Scottish Commonwealth Games with a Scottish team competing on home soil. His fellow Nationalists have joined in, believing the sporting spectacle that begins this evening would give them the final push they need to win the referendum. But the rest of us are more discerning than that. We can distinguish between patriotism and nationalism – unlike many in the SNP.

So the message to all those other UK competitors who will parade round the inside of Celtic Park this evening is this – this is not about politics, nor is it about independence or the future of the Union. This is about sport and although that is sometimes more important than politics, they are not the same, however much Salmond would like them to be.
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http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/hamish...ifference-between-patriotism-and-nationalism/


Enjoy!
 
Gambol said:
I agree. We should have our own currency. I was just pointing out the lameness of them dragging this issue up time and again.

However, if currency union makes economic sense to all parties then why not? Or, why not have currency union with Europe, if that made economic sense.

Am tired of hearing about this red herring of an issue.
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There is no point in independence if we don't have a currency. We could use the US$ or the Swiss franc, we can use whatever currency we want, but that's not independence, so what's the point?

We already have our own Education and legal system and have done for centuries. We have a devolved parliament with powers over the NHS, taxation and the likes. Only a truly independent nation can have its own currency, and in these days of globalisation, further integration seems to be the way the world is going.

Independence with a currency union is entirely pointless. How can you be independent but you're relying on the BoE being sympathetic to a Scottish state which it has no jurisdiction over.
 
CITIZEN SNIPS said:
There is no point in independence if we don't have a currency. We could use the US$ or the Swiss franc, we can use whatever currency we want, but that's not independence, so what's the point?

We already have our own Education and legal system and have done for centuries. We have a devolved parliament with powers over the NHS, taxation and the likes. Only a truly independent nation can have its own currency, and in these days of globalisation, further integration seems to be the way the world is going.

Independence with a currency union is entirely pointless. How can you be independent but you're relying on the BoE being sympathetic to a Scottish state which it has no jurisdiction over.
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Independence wont happen overnight. It'll be a gradual process in regards the currency, the monarchy, Trident etc.

I see a Yes vote on September 18th as a step towards full independence.
 
The Referendum Debate

Would you like the opportunity to voice your opinions on issues surrounding the Referendum? Well now is your chance!

BBC Scotland and the Producers of Question Time are hosting a series of TV programmes at venues the length and breadth of the country and are appealing for audience members.

Dates and locations of ourupcoming debates:

• Inverness, Tuesday 12th August

• Edinburgh, Tuesday 26th August

• Aberdeen, Wednesday 3rd September

• Stirling, Sunday 14th September


Audience members should be available between 16:30 and 20:30.


We will be asking:"Should Scotland be an independent country?"


To apply to participate please complete the online form:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25657131



‘It’s your country, now’s the time to have your say’
 
rogueleader said:
Oooh, what about this ? Ooh , what about that .... what will nigel-land allow ? Can someone pleeease, pleeease tell me what Scotland will be like in 10 years time if I vote yes? Pretty please mister. f**ing s**tebags. The Future Is Unwritten. Have the balls to write your own .
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Is that how you make all your decisions ... no facts, just go for it?
 
Salmond has said he's putting any talk about the Yes campaign till after the Commonwealth Games... fair play. They should be able to get on with attending and ensuring it's as successful as possible.
 
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