You really are a c**k aren't you - "What about the 75%+ that didn't want to strike?" you are the one who used YOUR ASSUMPTIONS to suit your argument
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You really are a c**k aren't you - "What about the 75%+ that didn't want to strike?" you are the one who used YOUR ASSUMPTIONS to suit your argument
I'm using the same assumption that you are. Just mine is based on fact that 75%+ didn't vote to strike and not some Marxist fiction like yours. That's what happens when you lose the argument you result to insults! That's democracy for you...
Here are a few more facts.... on average...
1) Public sectors workers on a whole don't have to suffer 0 hour contracts
2) They are protected from the general economic climate as opposed to private
3) The also enjoy on average an extra 3.67 per hour higher average salary then private workers (ONS)
4) The have a pension that most private sector workers can only dream of.
5) benefit from sickness cover that we could only dream about.
enjoy the debt and the gulags...brother!
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This exactly. The economy took a dive, not because of anything Labour or Unions did in the UK, but because of the sub-prime mortgage market collapse in the USA. All major western banks were involved in the racket, and when those mortgagees started to default, the whole banking system collapsed. Hence the bank bailouts by Gordon Brown which saved the banks (at our expense) and introduced growth back into the UK economy.
Unfortunately, an election was coming up, and even though the Tories agreed with EVERY action the Labour Government took, Cameron was able to throw **** at Brown, blaming him for the UK financial crash. Bear in mind the economy was in growth at election time. As soon as Cameron and Osborne entered Government, they decided we needed Austerity and the public sector would have to pay for it.
My wife works for Sunderland Adult Services in the care sector. She hasn't had a pay rise for 5 years on a wage barely above the National Minimum Wage. I don't think she or her work colleagues created the current "problems".
I realise this site is footie foremost so I apologise for prattling on, but I get peed off when people repeat judgements first mooted by the Daily Mail and Sun.
This exactly. The economy took a dive, not because of anything Labour or Unions did in the UK, but because of the sub-prime mortgage market collapse in the USA. All major western banks were involved in the racket, and when those mortgagees started to default, the whole banking system collapsed. Hence the bank bailouts by Gordon Brown which saved the banks (at our expense) and introduced growth back into the UK economy.
Unfortunately, an election was coming up, and even though the Tories agreed with EVERY action the Labour Government took, Cameron was able to throw **** at Brown, blaming him for the UK financial crash. Bear in mind the economy was in growth at election time. As soon as Cameron and Osborne entered Government, they decided we needed Austerity and the public sector would have to pay for it.
My wife works for Sunderland Adult Services in the care sector. She hasn't had a pay rise for 5 years on a wage barely above the National Minimum Wage. I don't think she or her work colleagues created the current "problems".
I realise this site is footie foremost so I apologise for prattling on, but I get peed off when people repeat judgements first mooted by the Daily Mail and Sun.
Got a feeling sanddancer is gonna lose this one, with all the facts being laid bare for him.
The Liebour government was voted by the people to look after the economy. They did nothing to cool the housing market and nothing to regulate the banks. Which part of they had nothing to do with this am I missing?
I've never said that the majority that voted didn't vote in favour. Only the argument from me is that 20% of 1.8% of the population of the UK (0.3% of the population) are today holding the country at ransom. This, in a democracy shouldn't be allowed to happen. As a country we are bucking the trend and jobs and growth is being created unlike in France and at the moment Germany. Do you really want to follow the French model and see mass unemployment?
The Lower pay argument isn't true and there are statistics by the ONS which contradict your argument. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26512643
I'm apportioning the blame at Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and their mates, Bob Crowe and his other firebrand palls, the bankers (unregulated) and all other politicians. Apportion that how you like.
Is your wife on more then a zero hour contract? Does she receive full sickness pay, does she have a works pension? if you answer yes to any of these then she is doing better then a lot of private workers. If she want's more money then she is welcome to join the rest of us and take her chance in the real world.
p.s. read my post above and check out the link (it's by the BBC so hardly bias towards the right)
Itâs very interesting that you would make an assumption about my politics without knowing anything about me, there seems to be a similar pattern developing about your views of Trade Unions and Public Sector workers.
Do you honestly believe that striking teachers are not penalised by a proportionate reduction in their salary? Teachers are not only employed, to allow parents to abdicate their responsibilities to their children, some of the issues are related to the welfare of the child.
Public Sector workers are not pariahs who suck the life blood from the state or adversely affect workers in the private sector, they are people with the same objectives as anyone else, in the main they are hard working, decent people who provide for their family and pay their taxes. It is a dangerous myth to differentiate between or pigeon hole working people.
Trades Unions are not renowned for vote rigging (another ridiculous statement), the entire process and resulting vote is scrutinised by independent auditors making it impossible to influence.
You made the ridiculous statement âAs i said before we (the rest of us) will have to pay for any increase in wages for public sector workers whether we like it or notâ, presumably that is through your tax commitment that no public sector worker has?
You donât pay for public sector pensions any more than you pay for private sector ones, public sector pensions are paid for by the individual at a proportionately high percentage of their salary.
Your work achievements should be applauded, but so should the equally notable achievements of others, whether public or private sector.
You have a very bigoted and bitter opinion of compatriots who, whether you agree with their actions or not, are legally and democratically withdrawing their labour for reasons you obviously know nothing about.
By the way, I could make many assumptions about you having read your posts today, but I donât know you so it would be futile.
I don't think any of that applies to her mate.
To be honest. The left and the right of the population sit on the fence and blame each other but nothing happens. It only gets worse for the vast majority of working class. Labour don't care a toss about the working class and don't have to. They don't need to win votes from them. The Unions are dinosaurs and need regulated before we end up in the crap. The Tories need to sort out real issues that are effecting the working classes..housing, education, health care, employment and definitely immigration and zero hour contracts.
To be honest, in life there will be winners and losers. Working in hospitality for 10 years I was always going to be a loser and got out of it. If people don't earn enough then move on... employers will soon get the message. But for every minimum wage plus 50p an hour worker there is 500 million other EU citizens able to work for minimum wage. That's life.
The vast majority of Public sectors workers haven't been effected by immigration.. Poles don't take a percentage of jobs like they do in say the hospitality industry and Labour and the Unions did nothing to protect these people..
Teachers, council workers etc...I don't care. They on a whole are insulated in their 'public sector' protective bubble don't care about anybody else. That's the truth.
Call me a Bigot because i have alternate view to you....very grown up!
Bigotry is the state of mind of someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.
you're one of those people that uses the word Bigot or Fascist or Racist 100 times a day arn't you??
The teachers can go **** themselves imo.
The schools fine parents now if they take their kids on holiday during school term.
It's fine however for those ****s to withdraw their labour thus forcing the kids to a day off.
My youngun is of course devastated about having to miss a day.
The schools fine parents now if they take their kids on holiday during school term.
It's fine however for those ****s to withdraw their labour thus forcing the kids to a day off.
My youngun is of course devastated about having to miss a day.
But it's hardly the teacher doing it billy.
It's the governing bodies that are responsible for that, not the teachers.
Billy you can't say that. Monty will call you a Bigot. Teachers have a right to not work because ''Teachers are not only employed, to allow parents to abdicate their responsibilities to their children, some of the issues are related to the welfare of the child. ''
It's the teachers who police the system and sometimes quite unfairly Police the system.
You should read the article in your post and not the headline. The ONS give the reason as:
In 2013, average hourly earnings in the public sector were £16.28 an hour, compared to the average £14.16 among private employees.
But the difference was skewed because more public sector jobs require high levels of skill and university degrees.
Public sector employers also tend to be larger, thus paying higher wages.
My initial post compared public sector salary with their equivalent in the private salary.
I have just retired from the public sector, having also worked in the private sector for a good few years so I feel I have an unbiased view of both.
I have not had a pay rise for five years and believe me there are many public sector workers on salaries of £7-10k for whom under the current "golden" pension, their maximum pension assuming they have worked 40+ years would be £3.5-5K
I'm going to make one incredibly simplified observation, and that's all.
If you are employed, have a contract to work that you have agreed to and decide not to go to work as you aren't happy with that contract, it should be classed as gross misconduct, and you should face disciplinary action.
That simple to me.
If you are employed, have a contract to work that you have agreed to and decide not to go to work as you aren't happy with that contract, it should be classed as gross misconduct, and you should face disciplinary action.
That simple to me.
In wouldn't call Billy anything, he is a Stanley lad.
In fact I agree with him but that's another debate.
It's not lawful, but in simple terms, striking is surely a breach of contract.
I was working at BA when they had the strikes, I hear there may be more, it could have closed the airline, it did indrectly lead to long term cutbacks and the closure of 2 major regional offices.
Fortunately for the region Newcastle was the one that survived, again, this was people striking, about conditions that were in place BEFORE they started their employment.
If you have a job, and a company pays you to do it, you should go to work, plain & simple as that for me.
It's not a breach of contract, with a few exceptions it's a right to withdraw labour, provided the due process has been adhered to.
However I do agree with most of your post.