OT-Benefit Britain, life on the Dole

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busdriver said:
Luxury, I came out of work at a similar age, lived in a shoe box in the middle of the M62, worked 48 hours a day, eight days a week, with no holidays.........etc......but because I was self employed and paid into the system since leaving school at 15, including years of being VAT registered, I am not entitled to any social security money. Not even JSA. But Gordon the moron, the 'skinhead' from Bransholme, never worked a day in his 42 years on this earth trousers £450 a week. That's fair, isn't it ?
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Thanks Tigerfiley and HCAFC.

busdriver, I can't work out if that's a pop at me or the system or both. Having never been self employed I haven't a clue how it works when you're out of work so I can't comment.
 
busdriver said:
Luxury, I came out of work at a similar age, lived in a shoe box in the middle of the M62, worked 48 hours a day, eight days a week, with no holidays.........etc......but because I was self employed and paid into the system since leaving school at 15, including years of being VAT registered, I am not entitled to any social security money. Not even JSA. But Gordon the moron, the 'skinhead' from Bransholme, never worked a day in his 42 years on this earth trousers £450 a week. That's fair, isn't it ?
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You were lucky...
 
At the end of the day there's a massive difference between those who have grafted/ want to graft who can't either because they genuinely can't find employment or for health reasons etc and the professional dole bum

That's right dole bum, ie life long scroungers who don't intend to do a days work but expect hand outs because it's all they know.


Why are people defending the likes of Gordy?

He's just a fat, lazy lump who needs a boot up his arse.

And no I don't read the Daily Hate.
 
HCAFC (Airlie Tiger) said:
Its situations like yours that the benefit system was designed to help, its just a shame you get idiots like those on the program that take advantage and give claimants a bad name.

Hope you manage to find work soon pal.
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Most people on benefits are like rovertiger though , that's the point you are missing

Try been unemployed over the age of 40 and tell me it's easy to get a job
 
I don't think anyone's defending him, more like isolating him as a minority, therefore he's not really worth getting wound up about.

Anyway, this programme is yet more government propaganda. Hey, we bummed kids and covered it up for 30 years, here's some benefit scroungers to deflect the anger.
 
rovertiger said:
Thanks Tigerfiley and HCAFC.

busdriver, I can't work out if that's a pop at me or the system or both. Having never been self employed I haven't a clue how it works when you're out of work so I can't comment.
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Its not a pop at you. Don't think that. If anything it's my frustration coming out after working solidly, without ever claiming a penny from the state, for 40 years, the only time I needed to sign on to be told I wasn't eligible for anything because I'd been self employed.
I could have appealed and took what was basically a means test to enable me to get £60 or £70 a week JSA but I decided to sign myself off. I did find work, as my poster name suggests but that looks like coming to an end soon, and the whole charade starts again.
 
busdriver said:
Its not a pop at you. Don't think that. If anything it's my frustration coming out after working solidly, without ever claiming a penny from the state, for 40 years, the only time I needed to sign on to be told I wasn't eligible for anything because I'd been self employed.
I could have appealed and took what was basically a means test to enable me to get £60 or £70 a week JSA but I decided to sign myself off. I did find work, as my poster name suggests but that looks like coming to an end soon, and the whole charade starts again.
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Sorry to hear you might be out of work soon, I for one can sympathise with ya.
 
mostynthecat said:
Tobes - any benefit fraud is wrong, but then on the same level (which is costing this country a great deal) is tax avoidance/evasion. Both are as wrong as the other BUT there is a group in society who seem to think that one (the avoidance of paying tax) is quite all right but then leap up and down on the cases we see on Saints and scroungers on the BBC (which is a small percentage of the actual benefits claimants). In fact you sound like that Katie Hopkins woman who was on a Benefits discussion show on Channel 5
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Tax avoidance is legal. Tax evasion isn't.
 
Personal experience (reply to guy asking for a link). You can see the kind of scapegoating tactics work because of the comments on the racist cretin, but he is not representative of welfare claimants.
 
As Mostynthecat says, our culture seems to look down on, and pillory the unemployed - whether it's their fault or not. Some will lack ability, some lack intelligence, some are discriminated against, and sometimes it's just the lack of available jobs.

The cost to you in tax, etc is a lot more due to tax avoidance than JSA but we don't really complain. Do you really think some of the upper class have ever done any more work than Gordon does, but they don't get grief because they have money and power.

Don't even get me started on the billions the government have wasted on failed projects - and who do you think gets the money from these - yet they still have the nerve to criticise the unemployed.
 
The benefit cap and Universal Credit are going to have huge ramifications for some unemployed families. Some will lose approximately £300pw+ in benefits. Based in the theory that no unemployed family should 'earn' more than the living wage. I agree completely.
 
bigfattiger said:
The benefit cap and Universal Credit are going to have huge ramifications for some unemployed families. Some will lose approximately £300pw+ in benefits. Based in the theory that no unemployed family should 'earn' more than the living wage. I agree completely.
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Universal credit is a complete **** up , they've already spunked away millions and scrapped it all to start again
 
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