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Scotch Independence - the countdown

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by stopmeandslapme, Feb 5, 2014.

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

  1. Yes

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  1. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Am still undecided.
     
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  2. The Anilingus Aficionado

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    So am I, but Mick won't answer me what his motivation is for seeing Scottish Indy, one only suspects that he sees it as a vehicle to antagonise the "Huns" in NI and the eventual end of British occupation in Direland, hence my insistence on a remaining stake in Northern Ireland and protection from Rome for the Ulster-Scots like Medro.
     
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  3. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Whit the **** is an Ulster-Scot?
     
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    A ****
     
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  5. Mick

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    Aside from my ethnic biases, for IT roles the wages south of the Irish boarder about 50% higher than they are in the North. The single biggest reason for that is the difference in Government regulations and taxation.

    I can't look at this situation and honestly say that I'd like to keep things the same.
     
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  7. Gambol

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    No, it's because for 50 years, countless bombings, murders and intimidation has led to a brain-drain and any one with a semblance of common sense has bailed out of NI.
     
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  9. Mick

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    What happened to Wales then which actually has a worse economy than NI?

    You'd expect the likes of 7% growth in NI catching up with the rest of the UK now if it was just to do with a conflict which basically ended 17 years ago, but it still lags behind the rest of the country in growth, never mind actual economic output.

    Also, the likes of eBay deliberately opened in Dundalk because it's right on the Irish border, so they can get all the cheap Northern Irish staff commuting across to work (http://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/...nemployment-figures-with-roi-employment-news/). There's a distortion there that is obvious to absolutely everyone, which is why the NI executive is begging the British Government to give them control over Corporation Tax.
     
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  10. Mick O'Toon

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    This plus us Catholics are brainier:emoticon-0126-nerd: as you yourself have posted numerous times
     
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    You said that the "biggest reason" for NI wages being less than SI was because of economic policy. I disagree. It's a reason, but not "the biggest". I think the biggest reason is blowing the **** out of each other for 50 years+ as previously explained.

    Wales has been economically reliant on England since the 12th Century ever since they were taken over. They have some of the worst educational standards in Europe and the worst in the UK. They devolved education to the Welsh assembly and it got even worse! Would Wales benefit from independence? I don't know but they're heavily indebted to England, I'd imagine and don't seem to be doing very well, though these things can change very quickly, look at Poland and their recent PISA tests.

    Take London out of the picture and Scotland would probably be on par with the rest of England, if not more wealthier. Unfortunately, being richer now isn't guaranteed forever and it takes real foresight and vision from wonderful politicians to ensure that we always remain a wealthy nation. “A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.” (Barrie Lochrie 2002) The populous debate about social justice is aimed at folk with gripes wanting more "freebies" from the State. No one has the balls to debate the BIG issues surrounding pension deficits, the ballooning black hole in public finances. The biggest threat to future growth is future debt but we don't want to talk about it.

    My opinions on Indy isn't based on greed or lack of ambition, the UK has been good for its subjects and I don't know if it's right to give it up on a leap of faith. We are stronger as a UK, I don't think that is debatable, we break up and there will be winners, but there will be losers too.

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  12. Mick

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    Corporations are not afraid to move into NI - it's jam packed with low wage call centres from the likes of Citigroup - it's just all the high paying creative jobs are elsewhere in Britain and Ireland. We're fighting with ****ing India for the call centre jobs http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/869920b6-9958-11e3-91cd-00144feab7de.html#axzz34L9aO8dv

    So there's still no well paid jobs in NI for me but plenty across the border (and in London and on the Isle of Man and in the Channel Islands) - why would I want to keep things the same?
     
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    Thee are well paid jobs in NI, just not in IT, which I'm sure there is too, just not any you fancy and probably not that many of them either.

    This is about the Scotch though, not about Direland.

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    There are well paid jobs in NI, you think just not in IT, which I'm sure there is too, just not any you fancy and probably not that many of them either.

    This is about the Scotch though, not about Direland.

    I have no idea what you're getting at though.
     
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  16. Mick

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    I've been getting at the fact that in the regions we're basically sitting with our hands out to Westminster begging for more, when we could take control ourselves and try to do something. I don't want to live on the Isle of Man forever, I'd like other options - but every time I go to market and look for jobs with similar pay it seems it's either offshore, London or Dublin. Why is there good paying jobs on a little empty ****ey island but **** all in the regions? The answer is autonomous Governments who can actually compete for business against the behemoth of London.
     
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  17. Mick O'Toon

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    I may be wrong but if Scotland goes Indy then they will try to copy/compete with ROI in corporation tax to lure the big companies in,I think that's what he getting at.
     
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    The world is your oyster, go wherever you want. You want the UK to break up because it will suit your proxy internet war and you believe, enhance the chances of an end to British occupation in the AoE.

    No it's not but thanks anyway.
     
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    Awesome game <applause>
     
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  20. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Get tae **** with yer discussions about Norn Iron, they ****s can swim in the ****e pool they made for themselves.

    This thread is about Scotland!
     
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