Pochettino in

[humanbeingincroydon]

There's a bit of a backlash on various social media to Tony Parks leaving the club, now that Pochettino has brought Toni Jimenez with him.

There probably won't be when the club announce that Freund has left the club, with Jesus Perez replacing him...

 

[SpursDisciple]

Funny how Neil Ashton didn't point out this sulky high maintenance side when Pochettino was at Southampton...

I want someone who takes losing badly

 

[Spurm]

I want someone who takes losing badly

This was the things aimed at Jol. All the teams above us in the table had poor losers as managers. Jol was all "credit the other team, they were better" etc. Nice, but i think ultimately you want someone that can't stand losing

 

[SpursDisciple]

This was the things aimed at Jol. All the teams above us in the table had poor losers as managers. Jol was all "credit the other team, they were better" etc. Nice, but i think ultimately you want someone that can't stand losing

Ideally you want classy in public and sulking and screaming (at the same time!!) in private.

 

[PavonSport]

This was the things aimed at Jol. All the teams above us in the table had poor losers as managers. Jol was all "credit the other team, they were better" etc. Nice, but i think ultimately you want someone that can't stand losing

The classic one with our managers in recent times is the 'well the referees do not make these mistakes on purpose, they have a hard job' routine. Then we wonder why we tend to miss out on the key decisions in big matches. It isn't good to see, but occasionally picking up referees on their mistakes would probably do us some good. We tend to accept defeat too easily on and off the pitch imo.

 

[The RDBD]

I would prefer the club to formally complain to the authorites (post-match citings etc) about blatant
poor decisions made by a ref. That way you make your opinions known but you don't
submit the officials to the post-match interview trial by TV lynch mob.

 

[PavonSport]

I would prefer the club to formally complain to the authorites (post-match citings etc) about blatant
poor decisions made by a ref. That way you make your opinions known but you don't
submit the officials to the post-match interview trial by TV lynch mob.

That is fair enough. I have to stress that it is not something I like to see, clubs pressuring the officials but it clearly works. Our 5-1 defeat to City this year was a classic example. From the first minute every decision against them was contested by several City players. Pressure gradually built on the ref who then gave the penalty and sent off Rose in very much a 50/50 decision. About two of our players contested the decision at all.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

This was the things aimed at Jol. All the teams above us in the table had poor losers as managers. Jol was all "credit the other team, they were better" etc. Nice, but i think ultimately you want someone that can't stand losing

I'd prefer if we didn't have a manager instill a win-at-all-costs mentality, though. Mainly because that mentality manifests in diving within the first ten minutes of a game, half the team squaring up to the referee, and the "machine gunning" tactic being deployed.

 

[The RDBD]

The other thing I'd like to see is communication with the ref mainly via the captain only.
Players should not swarm around the ref. The captain should always be present when the
ref is disciplining one of our players. That is the way tis done in rugby.

 

[PavonSport]

The other thing I'd like to see is communication with the ref mainly via the captain only.
Players should not swarm around the ref. The captain should always be present when the
ref is disciplining one of our players. That is the way tis done in rugby.

Again I agree with you. I think that was part of the whole 'Respect' campaign that the FA were promoting a while back. Obviously once the publicity died down it just went back to how it was before. I would like to see referees start booking players if they start surrounding him and refuse to go away. Unfortunately the issue is that any ref who punishes it would probably be criticised for giving out cards too easily (a bit like how people want shirt pulling in the box to stop, but when a ref gives a penalty it is considered a 'soft' decision).

 

[totsfan]

Again I agree with you. I think that was part of the whole 'Respect' campaign that the FA were promoting a while back. Obviously once the publicity died down it just went back to how it was before. I would like to see referees start booking players if they start surrounding him and refuse to go away. Unfortunately the issue is that any ref who punishes it would probably be criticised for giving out cards too easily (a bit like how people want shirt pulling in the box to stop, but when a ref gives a penalty it is considered a 'soft' decision).

soft or not a penalty should be given,i don't get this soft or if that had been anywhere else on the pitch it would be a freekick,if it's foul play in the box ,give it,even of you end up with 20 or more penalty's in a game for things likeshirt pulling,it would soon stop

 

[The RDBD]

Consider the rugby equivalent for shirt pulling at corners. Defenders do it at each end once each.
The ref calls the captains over, tells them he is p*ssed off with it and the next team to do it are
going to get pinged. Communicate this to your players, or suffer the consequences.

Whatever is happening, as long as the ref communicates to the players that the point of no
return has been reached, there are no grounds for whining.

 

[Billy The Spur]

That is fair enough. I have to stress that it is not something I like to see, clubs pressuring the officials but it clearly works. Our 5-1 defeat to City this year was a classic example. From the first minute every decision against them was contested by several City players. Pressure gradually built on the ref who then gave the penalty and sent off Rose in very much a 50/50 decision. About two of our players contested the decision at all.

Spurs have been a soft touch for years, it is all too easy to give the 50/50 decisions against us. Certain other teams always get the benefit of doubt, mainly because of their history but also because some of their players are in the referees ear all the time. Having the benefit of doubt most of the time makes a huge difference to the course of a game and subsequently affects results, sadly Spurs are too soft and too easy to upset. Spurs lack players with a winning mentality and it is no surprise we are regularly shafted by referees, (not being given a penalty kick for a whole season when several were nailed on and having most of our recent red cards rescinded being cases in point). The media play a part also, constantly bigging up their favourite clubs, it must have an effect (consciously or subconsciously) on referees` mind set and performances.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

The other thing I'd like to see is communication with the ref mainly via the captain only.
Players should not swarm around the ref. The captain should always be present when the
ref is disciplining one of our players. That is the way tis done in rugby.

It beggars belief that not a single referee responded to this by booking every single player that swarmed him. That would've nipped that in the bud pretty quickly.

 

[NSIS]

The other thing I'd like to see is communication with the ref mainly via the captain only.
Players should not swarm around the ref. The captain should always be present when the
ref is disciplining one of our players. That is the way tis done in rugby.

In the days that I played, the only players allowed to even address the referee, were the captains. The referee always had to be addressed as "sir" not, " you c**t" as once did and promptly was dragged up in front of the RFU disciplinary commitee and banned for several weeks.

 

[The Huddlefro]

In the days that I played, the only players allowed to even address the referee, were the captains. The referee always had to be addressed as "sir" not, " you c**t" as once did and promptly was dragged up in front of the RFU disciplinary commitee and banned for several weeks.

I like that when you're watching on TV, the rugby refs' mikes can be heard in the broadcast feed. It means that everyone immediately knows what the ref is communicating to the players and what the players are saying to the ref. I imagine that if the same procedure was taken for football then it would go some way towards cracking down on the swearing, as there would be proof and the players would know that they would be swearing in earshot of millions and would be slammed for it. It would also be very interesting to hear the conversations on the pitch between players and referees.

 

[PowerSpurs]

Consider the rugby equivalent for shirt pulling at corners. Defenders do it at each end once each.
The ref calls the captains over, tells them he is p*ssed off with it and the next team to do it are
going to get pinged. Communicate this to your players, or suffer the consequences.

Whatever is happening, as long as the ref communicates to the players that the point of no
return has been reached, there are no grounds for whining.

The Rugby authorities, both codes, as well as most other sports, know that the point of sanctions for breaking the rules is to DETER cheating not to PUNISH it.

Football allows cheats to prosper. The penalty try is the best example of why Rugby is better. Of course refs make the odd mistake in awarding one but that is massively outweighed by the fact that it makes it pointless to cheat so there are far fewer decisions to get wrong.

 

[The RDBD]

The penalty try usually comes for continual infringement.
Infringement is not the same as footballers diving in the penalty box, "hand of Gods" etc.

 

[The RDBD]

"I imagine that if the same procedure was taken for football then it would go some way towards cracking down
on the swearing, as there would be proof and the players would know that they would be swearing in earshot of millions
and would be slammed for it. It would also be very interesting to hear the conversations on the pitch between player
and referees"

They did it in for a TV documentary ages ago.
George Grahams' Goons. Terrible abuse by them towards the ref.
Calling the ref a cheat etc.

Here is a bit of it :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX6aKRt4V3Y

Yeah I know tis David Elleray, but still.

 

[Spurf]

Has Poch started with us yet?