Denationalizing the NHS

[gas]

Possibly the only things I wouldn't privatise are the NHS and education. If you are healthy and well educated then you can **** off and look after yourself.

That my friends is the ideal solution

However I would go further by introducing the following measures;

1) Embrace our European membership by adopting the Euro as our currency.
2) Leave NATO
3) Reduce defence spending including a 50% reduction in operational armed forces and abandon our nuclear deterrent.
4) Re-nationalise vital industries including, water, gas, electricity and telecommunications.
5) Outlaw all media owned or invested in by Rupert Murdoch.


I'll think of some more later.

 

[Lieutenant]

People have a go about the NHS ... but in my opinion, it is really good.

yes, it could be improved upon being flogged ... it's as good as it will ever get.

I agree with you here.

 

[Trypsin-1]

Day the NHS is privatised is probably the say I finally up sticks and move. Don't really know why we'd wanna choose to increase inequality when it's what we should be combating.

 

[Gambol]

That my friends is the ideal solution

However I would go further by introducing the following measures;

1) Embrace our European membership by adopting the Euro as our currency.
2) Leave NATO
3) Reduce defence spending including a 50% reduction in operational armed forces and abandon our nuclear deterrent.
4) Re-nationalise vital industries including, water, gas, electricity and telecommunications.
5) Outlaw all media owned or invested in by Rupert Murdoch.


I'll think of some more later.

Are you Fat Alec in disguise?

 

[Mick]

Wait until your the same age as Russ and ER, that's when they start ripping the hole out you.

You're bias because they've looked after your kid well.

Perhaps I'm biased because they fked up my granda's treatment and more than one occasion.

I had a situation where my son nearly died and was on life support for a week (after they ****ed up an operation). I would have given everything I owned and my life at that point to save his life. I think people have no idea how important your health and your family's health are until you get into one of those scenarios yourself - and given that humans are known to under-estimate long term risk I think health is too important to human happiness to leave to a marketplace which assumes that everyone is well informed enough to insure, or make wise decisions for themselves.

There may be a more efficient way to socialise the cost of health than the NHS, but I think it has to be socialised - the whole concept of markets is that they average out, some people win, some people lose but the average tends to do ok. I don't think it's morally acceptable to have losers in healthcare, even if a market does make the process more efficient for a majority.

 

[Gambol]

I had a situation where my son nearly died and was on life support for a week (after they ****ed up an operation). I would have given everything I owned and my life at that point to save his life. I think people have no idea how important your health and your family's health are until you get into one of those scenarios yourself - and given that humans are known to under-estimate long term risk I think health is too important to human happiness to leave to a marketplace which assumes that everyone is well informed enough to insure, or make wise decisions for themselves.

There may be a more efficient way to socialise the cost of health than the NHS, but I think it has to be socialised - the whole concept of markets is that they average out, some people win, some people lose but the average tends to do ok. I don't think it's morally acceptable to have losers in healthcare, even if a market does make the process more efficient for a majority.

What odds were you giving on his survival?

 

[Mick]

What odds were you giving on his survival?

After I was told it was serious I gave it the 'how serious, we talking 33/1 or Even money?". ****s had no grasp at all of probability theory.

 

[Gambol]

After I was told it was serious I gave it the 'how serious, we talking 33/1 or Even money?". ****s had no grasp at all of probability theory.

Well played, sir.

 

[EDGE.]

****tin maself I wouldn't want to get devoured by that gigantic chasm you call an arse crack.

Face up to the facts. You wrote what is quite possibly some of the dumbest **** ever wrote on this forum It was a mindyfail ffs

Aye, the resident smackheid is calling Mindyfail on the Bazster?

Get yersel a new dealer ya fkin tramp, on ye go FFS

 

[ManDingo 20"/20"]

Aye, the resident smackheid is calling Mindyfail on the Bazster?

Get yersel a new dealer ya fkin tramp, on ye go FFS

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[ManDingo 20"/20"]

Owns an iPhone.

Challenges others that buy over priced products.

 

[EDGE.]

I had a situation where my son nearly died and was on life support for a week (after they ****ed up an operation). I would have given everything I owned and my life at that point to save his life. I think people have no idea how important your health and your family's health are until you get into one of those scenarios yourself - and given that humans are known to under-estimate long term risk I think health is too important to human happiness to leave to a marketplace which assumes that everyone is well informed enough to insure, or make wise decisions for themselves.

There may be a more efficient way to socialise the cost of health than the NHS, but I think it has to be socialised - the whole concept of markets is that they average out, some people win, some people lose but the average tends to do ok. I don't think it's morally acceptable to have losers in healthcare, even if a market does make the process more efficient for a majority.

I think you're assuming there's no middle ground. It's all or nothing, when that's not actually the case.

I'd love to stay and debate but I need to go out a run after putting on weight through my not being able to play football after it took me 16 weeks to get an appointment with a physio on the fkin NHS

#yacoontcha

 

[Lieutenant]

Day the NHS is privatised is probably the say I finally up sticks and move. Don't really know why we'd wanna choose to increase inequality when it's what we should be combating.

Equality is very ambiguous a subject to put so simply.

The saddest thing about the poor is the poverty of their aspirations.

 

[EDGE.]

Owns an iPhone.

Challenges others that buy over priced products.

When I pay for it indirectly, along with your buroo money, yer fkin right I will ya curlyheided zoob.

In 2011, I was involved in a huge tendering process for the refurbishment of some wards at GRI (6 in total), which saw the NHS pay £250k (per ward!)for a BMS (Building Management System) that would cost £30k in the open marketplace. Everycunt was in on it, consultants/management agents etc. This level of corruption in the UK, in the 21st Century was something from a bygone age. I know this pish happens constantly on every hospital, school, uni's, library, on every public contract the taxpayer gets charged/pays over the odds for crap that they either don't need or could get cheaper is there was genuine accountability instead of Govt departments having to spend their budgets whilst weighing in the folk who generate the work/orders.

I don't form my opinions lightly, it's not just a knee-jerk reaction to some pish that I read in the Mirror, these are opinions based on my knowledge of the going-ons in the civil service. Don't forget, I benefit financially sometimes from these contracts (not in a dodgy way as it's done at a lever above us) through getting work in hospitals and other public buildings.

We're doing a job in Aberdeen just now that was worth £40k at tender, now it's worth nearly double that through variations to contract. Guess who we're working for...

It doesn't happen on private buildings but it always happens when the taxpayer is footing the bill.

 

[Mick]

What about the principle of the government staying out of the market, they have no place in it?

Equality is very ambiguous a subject to put so simply.

The saddest thing about the poor is the poverty of their aspirations.

Here's a thought experiment on whether the market is the right way to go (based on John Rawls 'Veil of Ignorance' http://hammeringshield.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/903/).

Imagine you are told you have cancer which could get treated. You are given two options:

Option 1 is a 10/10 rated Health Service which will give you the best possible care. The problem is there is 20% chance you might not qualify for this service and will receive very little care, and 80% chance you will qualify and receive the best care. You can't change your mind after you have chose this option.

Option 2 is a 8/10 rated Health Service which will give you very decent care. There is a 100% chance you will qualify for this service, it's available to everyone and there's no risk involved.

Which option would choose?

People in the USA get option 1 (with the random luck of birth deciding if they are in the 80% or 20% group). People in the UK get option 2.

 

[Gambol]

When I pay for it indirectly, along with your buroo money, yer fkin right I will ya curlyheided zoob.

In 2011, I was involved in a huge tendering process for the refurbishment of some wards at GRI (6 in total), which saw the NHS pay £250k (per ward!)for a BMS (Building Management System) that would cost £30k in the open marketplace. Everycunt was in on it, consultants/management agents etc. This level of corruption in the UK, in the 21st Century was something from a bygone age. I know this pish happens constantly on every hospital, school, uni's, library, on every public contract the taxpayer gets charged/pays over the odds for crap that they either don't need or could get cheaper is there was genuine accountability instead of Govt departments having to spend their budgets whilst weighing in the folk who generate the work/orders.

I don't form my opinions lightly, it's not just a knee-jerk reaction to some pish that I read in the Mirror, these are opinions based on my knowledge of the going-ons in the civil service. Don't forget, I benefit financially sometimes from these contracts (not in a dodgy way as it's done at a lever above us) through getting work in hospitals and other public buildings.

We're doing a job in Aberdeen just now that was worth £40k at tender, now it's worth nearly double that through variations to contract. Guess who we're working for...

It doesn't happen on private buildings but it always happens when the taxpayer is footing the bill.

May I ask how I can get my snout in this trough?

I do know what yer saying though. I've done work for big financial institutions and the money and waste they through around is astounding. Mainly caused by nest featherers on the inside of the institution.

 

[Lieutenant]

Here's a thought experiment on whether the market is the right way to go (based on John Rawls 'Veil of Ignorance' http://hammeringshield.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/903/).

Imagine you are told you have cancer which could get treated. You are given two options:

Option 1 is a 10/10 rated Health Service which will give you the best possible care. The problem is there is 20% chance you might not qualify for this service and will receive very little care, and 80% chance you will qualify and receive the best care. You can't change your mind after you have chose this option.

Option 2 is a 8/10 rated Health Service which will give you very decent care. There is a 100% chance you will qualify for this service, it's available to everyone and there's no risk involved.

Which option would choose?

People in the USA get option 1 (with the random luck of birth deciding if they are in the 80% or 20% group). People in the UK get option 2.

I'd choose option one. I'd be smart enough to be insured.

 

[Archers Road]

Every time I've visited hospital recently the service has been excellent.

It just gets run down repeatedly by Tories, UKippers and the right-wing press who want to see it privatised so they can make millions out of it.

. Just got back from a physio appointment at The Whittington Hospital. A first class service, and all paid for by National Insurance stamps, which I've been happy to keep stumping up since I left school many moons ago. The NHS is the jewel in this country's crown.

Of course, in a independent Scotchland, our Northern cousins will treat all illnesses by drinking stinging nettle and newts eye soup purchased from the old lady who lives in a shoe. But that's their democratic right.

 

[A.L.D.O 4.1]

When I pay for it indirectly, along with your buroo money, yer fkin right I will ya curlyheided zoob.

In 2011, I was involved in a huge tendering process for the refurbishment of some wards at GRI (6 in total), which saw the NHS pay £250k (per ward!)for a BMS (Building Management System) that would cost £30k in the open marketplace. Every**** was in on it, consultants/management agents etc. This level of corruption in the UK, in the 21st Century was something from a bygone age. I know this pish happens constantly on every hospital, school, uni's, library, on every public contract the taxpayer gets charged/pays over the odds for crap that they either don't need or could get cheaper is there was genuine accountability instead of Govt departments having to spend their budgets whilst weighing in the folk who generate the work/orders.

I don't form my opinions lightly, it's not just a knee-jerk reaction to some pish that I read in the Mirror, these are opinions based on my knowledge of the going-ons in the civil service. Don't forget, I benefit financially sometimes from these contracts (not in a dodgy way as it's done at a lever above us) through getting work in hospitals and other public buildings.

We're doing a job in Aberdeen just now that was worth £40k at tender, now it's worth nearly double that through variations to contract. Guess who we're working for...

It doesn't happen on private buildings but it always happens when the taxpayer is footing the bill.

It's not the NHS's fault that the country is run by corrupt , greedy , thieving bastards . You're telling us that private companies are ripping us off whilst wanting to privatise the the UKs biggest emoloyer .

That's illogical captain .

 

[A.L.D.O 4.1]

I'd choose option one. I'd be smart enough to be insured.

Do you have health insurance now ?