Whose idea was this seat move?

Pretty much spot on.

I've been talking to quite a few of those affected yesterday. Almost all offered the same opinions and asked the same questions I did. Some are not renewing after 40+ years of following City. Others are unhappy, but trying to make best, but are struggling to find a suitable seat away from the 'ultras', so the noise is already liable to be diluted.

I've had the answer to the question I asked. It surprises me people are happy with it.

If the atmosphere improves, it'll be in spite of this move to copy the Middlesbrough model, not because of it.

 

Colonel Mustard in the Board Room with a rope,

 

No, it will be because of it.

It also means we can sell more home tickets.

 

Can't understand anyone not going because of a seat move...

Bloody hell we moved STADIUM not so long ago.

Even though I would have rather stayed at BP

can understand price increase being a reason and that's really sad ..

Grrrrr

Thought of fans being priced out pisses me off.

Come in north stand mr reggae
N4
Row s or t

Hope you change your mind.
It not that bad behind the goal.
In fact I prefer it

 

Looking at the mass of unsold seats in Gulag Zoo North yesterday, it's not getting off to a good start

I don't for one second believe DictatoR Allem has our (7% funding) interests at heart

he is using the lamentable FLAG notion for his own 'long play'.

Divide & conquer

the vote in the Arab spring 2015 - where he finally 'wins'

The only paradox being, he will fund a decent transfer kitty - as his CV states he does not like loosing as any cost, even if his own monies (short term) & ultimately our heritage

 

That depends on what happens. For example he could end up selling less home tickets. At present the away supporters are divided from E1 by a wall and an exit. Add in the slither that is N7 and you create a fairly wide break between the home and away supporters. Under the changes there will be no natural barrier just empty seats. Those currently in E4 will be next to the away supporters and E5 will be a lot closer then they were before. Many of these season ticket holders may decide to move so they aren't as close to any potential trouble. The displaced in E1 who do not want to be with the ulltras in N4 may well move into E4 to be closer to the away fans. The more that move into E4 the bigger the gap between the away fans and the home fans will be.

A different consideration applies to N5. Those fans who cannot afford/choose not to buy, a season ticket can walk up on the day and be right next to the away fans. Lets hope we have enough stewards and police to deal with access to away fans at both sides. We've seen how much trouble they have at present. I expect after a couple of matches and a potential European tie against an Italian team, the police overtime bill will rise considerably.

Then there is the West Stand. Do they really think that the attentions of those in N4 are not going to be directed towards them. Why do we sing "If you're Hull City stand up"? Do you think we don't mean it? It could become a bit like this board with who is the best supporter. Football crowds have dynamics, mostly influenced by the football on the pitch, but not always.

Hull City, with no consultation, have chucked a huge rock into a fairly placid lake. We'll see where the ripples end up. It won't be where most people think.

Finally, for Fez. I think DMD could have asked the question better but I knew what he meant. He eventually got the answer he was looking for and I suspect he knew it already. I think consultation with supporters is important on most issues, whether that's by the club, or supporters groups, which is why I've posted on this thread. I think, after some time on here, that DMD is fair as a mod. I know not everybody agrees, but that's life. I feel when he's acting as a mod he keeps his opinions to himself. All the other times he says what he thinks. I think that's all anybody can ask of him.

 

" Others are unhappy, but trying to make best, but are struggling to find a suitable seat away from the 'ultras'"

What does that mean? They needn't be any closer than they are now. Those dangerous ultras, eh?

 

Dangerous? Nah. I'm quite close to them now, and I don't mind it. I think they do a cracking job and I wish them success with what they're trying to achieve.

I'm simply repeating what others said, for various reasons they don't hold with what they see as that experience. E1 to E3 aren't some homogeneous lump.

 

For a lot of people, besides being told to move and where, it's the instant demand for payment which will make it impossible for some.

I have been lucky and been able to get an advance on some sums owed to me to ensure I get my seat. I will be in N2.

Many people will not be as fortunate as I have been.

 

I think you've made a fairly decent effort at rationalizing what may be, but you, just as everyone else, are guessing and projecting a theory. Much the same could be done about any variation on the seating change - in fact, why argue whether or not one is needed; after all, the endless comments on here, and elsewhere, criticizing the atmosphere, might be just hot air, just like a dislike of away supporters intimidating behind the goal might be seen as nonsense (I've never understood why we allow it) Personally I think the actions are a move forward; they may, through experience, need tweaking, but that's life, isn't it?
This idea of consultation is interesting. Who would the owners consult with, what is the respected representative group they should have approached? You see expressing yourself on here as a form of adding to consultation, so did the owners take notice of past threads criticising the atmosphere and act accordingly?
What about timing; with everything else that has swept our season to a close, where, in a dynamic commercial world, that operates with hard deadlines, was this consultation to take place? Would the available time have meant a rushed consultation.
Whichever way, I can't help but think that the same posters would have found a reason to post their anger and annoyance; it's a Bruce Hornsby kind of thing. Perhaps that placid lake was due a bit of a stir, ripples will eventually still, waves may not form and folk will find something else to be unhappy about.
Forty year supporters walking away is sad, on a number of levels. I did not attend games from the name-change application to the FA verdict; that was my choice, as I (we) was challenged by the owner to do so. I am curious about the reason for these 40 year supporters action; is it being together (has that been given a shot?), location (the same?), cost, or just being pissed off at a business trying to listen to it's customers trying to improve? I'm certainly not criticizing anyone for leaving the fold, but I am curious about the haste.
As for your final thought to me, better is an understatement, but it was the manner in which he berated folk to drum home his very obscure point that grated on everyone. I agree that the answer he eventually got, to a question he never actually asked,he probably did already know. Unfortunately that indicates, to me, that he deliberately set out to be obtuse and bombastic, being free with insult, eventually (mis)using the powers and tools of a moderator to score his petty points. But life will go on, as it does, until the next time, which we all know will come.

 

Of course the dangerous remark tongue in cheek. Bushwackers and Headhunters they are not. This shows exactly why we don't have a lot of atmosphere. In E3 there are many who prefer to sit and spectate. And those who move to the North Stand will be complaining about those standing and we could end up with a worse situation than we have now.So basically we have E1, which is not a large section, and E2 who want to be vocal. This is not many fans and an amount outnumbered by away fans who get behind their team at nearly every game. I think this will be demonstrated next season when the acoustics will miraculously change and be the reason the away fans in the East Stand are louder than the home fans.

 

But has has been stated , we outsung the home fans at most of our away games.

Goodison and Anfield were libraries and were told as much.

It's just the way football is these days.

Most home fans are very quiet, most away fans very noisy.

[video=youtube;v09svTOPj9k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v09svTOPj9k[/video]

Still the best away fans at the KC. No Choreo ****- just volume and often.

 

I'm glad you do long post sometimes!! Absolutely excellent summing up.

 

and to make it worse the 'singers' from e1-e2 will be probably seperated.. reducing the volume of vocals in my opinion

 

Well said Fez. Nail and head there.

 

That will explain why, in a poll of clubs, Crystal Palace were voted the best away fans by by about 7 of the clubs and ourselves by none. Though we did get voted the worst by Southampton.

 

Just better acoustics in the North Stand. Well done again the Allams.

 

Palace fans all smoke and mirrors. A wavy davy corner but the rest of the ground is standard prem library.

Sothampton fans' opinion of us? Nope. Sorry. Can't bring myself to have any opinions on their opinions.

 

You ask the people affected. A meeting could have been called and people asked their views and where if they wanted to move where they'd like to sit with whom. I would have included those in E4 and E5 as well. Not everybody would have turned up, but those affected would have had the chance to put their views.

There is no representative supporters' group and, for me, less chance of building one after this week.

The business has listened to some of its customers. I don't recall many people calling for E1 to E3 to be moved. Even less demand for change from those that sit/stand there.

I thought DMD's question was fairly easy to understand given the other thread. All I saw him doing was trying to ensure the question didn't get side tracked down a blind alley. As I said earlier a number of replies are just people with an axe to grind against DMD. I genuinely feel he's fair as a moderator. He's entitled to his views, which he puts, but I don't see him misusing his powers, if he has any.

Life will go on, the club has to find a new home for disabled away supporters and chucking out time next season will be interesting.

 

Do you really ask those affected; is that a real commercial principle? Hey, Obadiah, you won't get many more anti the Allams business style than me, but I take each issue on it's merit. There has been a demand, from the supporters, for something to be done for a long time. You've ignored the time constraint and it does play a part. There comes a time when a commercial business must make decisions and implement them - it's inevitable that those affected will see implement as impose; that's unfortunate, but that's the way it is (Hornsby again!). You've offered your thoughts on who should have been consulted, read through and you'll see variations, so, perhaps, a preliminary consultation on who to consult would have been appropriate?

There is a representative supporters group, they call it City Till We Die (incoming!! ); the fact that Allam will not recognise it is besides the point. They, or any other substantial group, don't have to represent the views of all supporters.

I have no issue with Dutch, although, as his early barbed comment to me showed, he does enjoy raking the coals. I don't know what you mean by the 'other thread'. There was a thread where this was discussed to some extent, but I forget which and, this morning I realised the 'burp' thread was not Carmines, but Dutch's. It was a needless flex of his Moderator muscle, designed to antagonize. You are fairly new on here, so to use a Tickleism, maybe time will tell. In this thread, and remember folk from around the world come on at all stages, the question was clear and unequivocal, it was reasonably answered many times and those who took the trouble to do so were ridiculed. If you read the thread and posts in isolation of anything else then it is blatant.

You speak of posters with axes to grind; do you, as a relatively new poster, stop to wonder why?

I did find the glut of new posts from Dutch and his sidekick amusing in their intention of 'bumping' his embarrassment down the board.