BBC - Liverpool make bid for Lallana

Similar to what I mean but if a club is stalling over paying more than £20m a good world cup will raise potential for income from having that player in your team and then that club that was stalling may raise their bid to the amount the 'selling' club was asking for.

If the club price him at say £35m now I don't think that will rise if he has a good world cup. It might sway a decision on whether someone wants to pay that much though.

 

As I said, I'm not saying Saints should accept £20m but there's a big difference between a bid that's too low and a bid that's insulting.

 

And Suarez cost £23m and Coutinho cost £8.5m

On that basis Lallana is probably worth about £8m as well then given he's 5 years older than Coutinho


Stupid to say one player cost this much so must mean another cost this much as different circumstances will help dictate the price.

 

Different circumstances? Like an upper-mid table Prem side who aren't in financial crisis wanting to hold onto one of their best players? Coutinho was a squad player at best, so obviously his price was lower. Henderson and Downing were both Premier League players in relatively similar conditions, so a comparison is fine - you'll notice I avoided the Andy Carroll one.

 

It's ok The Scousers think that Adam isn't worth what we're asking, lets call the deal off...

Anyway, I fear for Adam going to a "bigger" club... our history is littered with players that tried to step up and failed...Steve Williams, Mick Channon, Ron Davies, Danny Wallace etc etc

 

I was talking about a proper study that looked at the entire football media to see if in deed there were any correlation between transfer stories published and them actually happening. Google it and you can see for yourself. I can't remember it all off the top of my head but I remember Guardian was ranked statistically the paper that had the biggest success rate (about 30-40% I think) and that Talksport (and I think The Mirror) scored 0%.

The Guardian has no reason to help any club but they have an editorial policy that is strict so if they are told about a bid or move by an Agent they want run it unless the CE0 or Chairman of the club corroborates the story. Indeed the club officials are obviously going to tell them what's beneficial to them, and put their own slant on it, but this doesn't change the quality of the source therefore it is printed. Guardian has no bias to any club. They are used by every club equally in the same way to get THEIR propaganda out-there too.

How do you think they were first to know about Saints rejecting both bids from Utd and LFC and made it clear that the Saints board wanted significantly more money as they really wanted to keep both players? Thats the Saints board using the paper for their advantage too, as both of those articles were very pro-Saints' position (but they obviously then went back to LFC/MUFC chiefs, had rejection confirmed and seems were told by both clubs they would bid higher in due course coz that wouldn't come from Saints as its not in their interests business wise nor is it what they want their fans to read as it just continues the uncertainty).

EVERY club does it. They negotiate through the media basically and the Agents. Been going on since the beginning of the Professional game. I was within that industry (but not as a Journalist I must add) for years until I was able to get out and used to get told all this by the Journo's who worked alongside me who dealt with their local clubs. People think, due to the money involved, its way more sophisticated than this but it isn't. Its THIS basic. Why do you think on FM2014 you can leak info about targets to the media? Because its the STANDARD way of doing business.

Also 'tapping up' doesn't exist. There hasn't been a deal completed in a decade were the player wanted's Agent hasn't been sounded out first to make sure the player is even interested first. This area isn't anything like Footy Manager but thats coz they want the charade to be perpetuated. I don't know why but you'll never get a club official/player/Agent in the game currently who'll go on record and admit this. Its bizarre. Some of it is because, theoretically, there's a chance they could get in a lot of trouble for doing it despite every club acting this way. All aspects of the deal are negotiated informally and only when everything is agreed in principle, THEN the first (and only) 'formal' offer in writing is made for the records/admin.

In terms of Lallana and Shaw if I had to guess what happens next I would say its one of two things. Either something will be leaked to the press by players Agent(s) that makes it crystal clear they want out trying to make their position at the Club (mainly with fans) untenable and put pressure on Saints to do a deal, but will stop short of putting anything formally in writing to the club. Alternatively playrs may decide they can't go this far with the club and the fans so they will back down or agree to stay and this too will be done through the Papers. I reckon something along either these lines will happen within the next week. Just an educated guess though.

Like I said in my post in this thread before this one, keep an eye on the Journalists and their papers between now and the World Cup and you'll certainly get the LFC side of what's happening and it should make things clearer. I imagine Saints will alsv have their 'favoured' Journalists who get the inside track from them. Probably a guy at the BBC or a Broadsheet and Local paper like our Liverpool Echo. You should see both sides using their favoured Journos/papers to get their propaganda/PR/Marketing out.

 

Of course, a players value is all relative to the team buying/selling the player. For me, Adam is worth far more than £20 million to us as he is our captain, our key to opening defenses and a huge part of our all round game. However, in my opinion anything over £25 million for a club like Liverpool to pay for a player which they are not in desperate need of and 'Has only had one good season in the top flight' would not be seen by many as good business.

 

Good post I said this earlier. Saints side will be 'spinning' things to look favourable as well. They will try to make sure that if a bid is accepted that they can justify it either by it's value or by them being in a position where they had to sell because the player had made it known to them that he would not play ball if the transfer didn't happen. In each case I'm sure the club will try and get best value from whatever the situation is.

 

Saints should keep saying no, until the players come out in public and/or price is massive. Taking that stance could even mean we keep players. I have some hope that we will keep Shaw. It would be daft to sell before the WC...and better for us fans if they were still Saints players during the tournament.

 

Not talking specifically about Adam, but I have maintained over the last couple of seasons that our players look better with Saints than they may look elsewhere. Our strength is in the team...they have been drilled so well by Mauricio that they can second guess each other. Our players are talented, but Saints manage to make them look top class. Any player leaving should be careful what they wish for.

 

I do not think anything will be decide on either a manager or player front until the start of next month at the earliest. The season ticket renewals are due to close at the end of the month and I feel that they do not wish to send out the wrong message prior to this date. I feel that the manager situation is the biggest thing that needs to be addressed and resolved. If players and the manager leave prior to the end of the month imagine the message that will be sent out. All the statements the club have been made seen to coincide with the start of the season ticket renewals going on sale. Since then it has gone very quiet...

 

Spurs after Lallana in a swop plus cash deal for Townsend according to http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/05/04/spurs-set-to-offer-england-star-in-exchange-for-southampton-man/

 

I think there are certain players where this is true but not some. Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Lovren ARE as good as the hype. They would be as good in any other side unless they were shoehorned in for the sake of it.

 

If they made it - Cash plus Holtby then I wouldn't be too upset.

 

Have to be a very large lump of cash though.

 

Cash plus Eriksen.

 

Townsend + £34m then because he won't get in our first team and only worth £1m for his 1 assist and no goals. Siggurdson or Erikson would be a good shout. Not overly keen on Holtby. Do we want a player who couldn't get in Spurs first 11?

 

Siggurdson or Erikson yes.

 

What I find annoying is the way media outlets spin stories and edit quotes to meet an agenda.
Today on the BBC website the Headline is: Liverpool's Luis Suarez dismisses transfer speculation
The byline is: Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has dismissed speculation linking him with a move away from Anfield this summer.
The actual quote is:"There is no clause that suggests a priority for a specific team".
To me the story (or non-story) is all in the quote and why would there be a clause with priority for a specific team? Suarez hasn't said "I won't be going anywhere this summer", he hasn't even said "I won't be going to Barca or Madrid" he has just said, as quoted "There is no clause that suggests a priority for a specific team".

Yet if one of our players states that they have "a desire to play at the highest level, preferrably with Southampton", the quote and the story gets chopped down to Lallana/Shaw/Schneiderlin/Lovren* delete as appropriate wants to leave the club so they can fulfil their "desire to play at the highest level".

 

That's a very selective reading of it. He also said "It's more speculation than reality." which certainly backs up the BBC's headline.