Steve Cotterill

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Cliftonville said:
There have been very good performances in the last month e.g Carlisle and Leyton Orient. Its inconceivable the team was not attempting to win those games.

City had time. The ground was buzzing post Orient. The vibe was not sack him its all doom. Peopole who went were upbeat.

Tony Pullis favours that type of football. He tried similar at Ashton Gate and it imploded spectacularly. Why he pursues that path? I don't know, I have little interest in football played in that crude and ugly manner. I consider it backward and damaging to British football as a nation. Yes most goals statistically are scored with less than four passes, but that does not make Brazil, the Dutch Germany, Spain .... Wrong.

Explain to me why when our "intent" to play a certain way was failing ... I have before, but Its hard to explain to somebody who calls the team a shambles, says the Head coach has lost the dressing room etc. You have made your mind up.

Mr 'driscoll is not my idol, but I do have clear ideals on how football should be played. Cooper or Gould? Cooper every time. Jordan or Beck? Jordan every time. That will indicate how old I am.

Football is evolving ...The Robbie Turners are gone. The tackle fromn behind gone. Midfied enforcers gone. Even the ball is creating new skills e.g Knuckleballs.

The reason City are going backwards is its failure to evolve and plan long term. Some will blame the TVG, but they have not spent smart anfd still have players that have poor technique. Time again there to see them off.

By the way Kids with their parents should play the game to LEARN, until a certain age and have fun doing so. Any team not doing that should be avoided if you want a childs football to develop properly.
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My attitude towards the Carlisle game was "thank god we have JET" because otherwise, we would have been looking at ANOTHER draw. My attitude after the Leyton Orient game was "that's another team we should have beat". We are a bigger club, with bigger wages, with almost DOUBLE the average attendance. Leyton Orient is like Barnsley last season, a fluke that will fizzle out. My prediction after Leyton Orient would be that SOD would be gone by the time I got back from New York in 8 weeks time. He was gone before I could get over the jet lag!

As I have said, no one likes hoofball, but for some clubs it works! So how can you say something as idiotic as "it's dead", when it quite obviously isn't, as you have just said clubs use it and it damages us as a nation, and that sums you up your arguments most of the time.

I am not comparing the overall talents of Mourinho to SOD, but yesterday against Southampton he recognised a system that WAS NOT WORKING! Then changed it half time and won the game 3-1. Obviously he is world class, and we cannot get world class, but it doesn't take world class minds to know that if something isn't working in a game, then you adapt, change, and try something different to get the result. SOD never once displayed that very basic concept, which is ultimately why he isn't here anymore.

The bloke lost double the amount of games he one in a single season, and showed no signs since the first day of the season that things were going to get better. You are living in fantasy land if you think any board will stand by that in this day and age. Do I agree with it, not particularly, but the clubs I just described won't be playing at our levels ever again I doubt, because FOOTBALL HAS CHANGED, and we cannot afford it to happen to us.

As for the parents pushing their kids into any kind of competitive football, good luck to them, but Bristol City won't be changing the concept or fundamentals of the English game anyway shape or form in the next 3 generations, let alone your sons, so again, good luck.
 
ibodyslamrhinos said:
My attitude towards the Carlisle game was "thank god we have JET" because otherwise, we would have been looking at ANOTHER draw. My attitude after the Leyton Orient game was "that's another team we should have beat". We are a bigger club, with bigger wages, with almost DOUBLE the average attendance. Leyton Orient is like Barnsley last season, a fluke that will fizzle out. My prediction after Leyton Orient would be that SOD would be gone by the time I got back from New York in 8 weeks time. He was gone before I could get over the jet lag!

As I have said, no one likes hoofball, but for some clubs it works! So how can you say something as idiotic as "it's dead", when it quite obviously isn't, as you have just said clubs use it and it damages us as a nation, and that sums you up your arguments most of the time.

I am not comparing the overall talents of Mourinho to SOD, but yesterday against Southampton he recognised a system that WAS NOT WORKING! Then changed it half time and won the game 3-1. Obviously he is world class, and we cannot get world class, but it doesn't take world class minds to know that if something isn't working in a game, then you adapt, change, and try something different to get the result. SOD never once displayed that very basic concept, which is ultimately why he isn't here anymore.

The bloke lost double the amount of games he one in a single season, and showed no signs since the first day of the season that things were going to get better. You are living in fantasy land if you think any board will stand by that in this day and age. Do I agree with it, not particularly, but the clubs I just described won't be playing at our levels ever again I doubt, because FOOTBALL HAS CHANGED, and we cannot afford it to happen to us.

As for the parents pushing their kids into any kind of competitive football, good luck to them, but Bristol City won't be changing the concept or fundamentals of the English game anyway shape or form in the next 3 generations, let alone your sons, so again, good luck.
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% football is dead. It is being abandoned right across the UK, there are no Wimbledons and Cambridges. The Stokes have changed, the Premeirship is becoming ever more technical.

Yes Englands rudimentary approach to football has been damaging. It is why England is no longer a top level national team. Too many Andy Carrolls and Ricky Lmaberts instead of Bergakampf, Van Nistleroy, Van Persie. You get what you coach as a nation.

All those years focussing on brawn not control .. It is why England struggle to beat nations like the Netherlands which has a top division and second division of questionable quality and little else beneath it. Chile gave England lesson on pass and move. You can't move if your players can't pass it.

FOOTBALL HAS CHANGED .. Yes. It is yourself who appears to be unaware of it. Pesky devils are no longer lamping balls up the pitch x 100 straining for knock downs, some dare to go round the corner, they even let small people play it now.

Bristol City had, and I hope continue to fundamentally alter the way they approach football and its development of players.

Again I would stress do not push kids into competitive football teams unless they are teaching them the basics i'e technique. It is utterly short sighted AND damaging. In general the kid ends up being a poor player.
 
Cliftonville said:
% football is dead. It is being abandoned right across the UK, there are no Wimbledons and Cambridges. The Stokes have changed, the Premeirship is becoming ever more technical.

Yes Englands rudimentary approach to football has been damaging. It is why England is no longer a top level national team. Too many Andy Carrolls and Ricky Lmaberts instead of Bergakampf, Van Nistleroy, Van Persie. You get what you coach as a nation.

All those years focussing on brawn not control .. It is why England struggle to beat nations like the Netherlands which has a top division and second division of questionable quality and little else beneath it. Chile gave England lesson on pass and move. You can't move if your players can't pass it.

FOOTBALL HAS CHANGED .. Yes. It is yourself who appears to be unaware of it. Pesky devils are no longer lamping balls up the pitch x 100 straining for knock downs, some dare to go round the corner, they even let small people play it now.

Bristol City had, and I hope continue to fundamentally alter the way they approach football and its development of players.

Again I would stress do not push kids into competitive football teams unless they are teaching them the basics i'e technique. It is utterly short sighted AND damaging. In general the kid ends up being a poor player.
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Why are you telling me things I already know, doing what you usually do, which is stating the bleeding obvious. You are forgetting that the Premiership is becoming ever more technical for one reason only, foreigners. You love the samba boys and their technical brilliance, but with the Andy Carrolls and the Ricky Lamberts, you get hard work, with a game which is MEANT to be physical. You are forgetting what foreigners have also brought to our shores, which is diving and play acting, which has ultimately taken tackling out of the game. As a defensive midfielder, seeing Wes Brown sent off for what was a typical part of the game, is a disgrace.

However, I refuse to be drawn off topic by you time and time again, because that all you do when you are being proven wrong. Basic facts are ignored by you and you have no answer for them, so you bang on about kids, and technical approach to the game, forgetting the key point of it all, which is to win, or in our case, keep our head above water. Which SOD was not achieving having been given probably 5 months more than any other manager would have been.

This is the last time I will reply to any of your comments on any thread, as you are an oaf.
 
I find it funny that, people are saying SC is all hoof ball when none of us actually know do we. We have only seen his teams play against us maybe once or twice a season,
And now we are saying the academy is going to fail because of SC <laugh>


**** me he's not even here and we want him sacked.


I don't care about RR comments because they change like the wind anyway. But if he does become a manager let's look to see what he does then not write him off straight away.
I would suspect if he does come here it won't be pretty it will be what's needed to survive this season that SoD ****ed up for us. I don't care about the Carlisle game if I shagged 20 women I'm bound to make one of them cum so one good performance don't make a season. Orient was ok but compared to the dross we've been watching this season it was not hard but all we yielded was one point against the massive club.
 
Sentences you are unlikely to ever hear.!!

Tom Daley.. "I'm thinking about moving in with my girlfriend this weekend"

Red Robin .. " I'm gonna give this manager whole hearted support no matter what happens till he leaves"

Redprintt .. "I may have misjudged that one, I was possibly wrong"

;)
 
JUST WHAT DO FOOTBALL CHAIRMEN SEE IN STEVE*COTTERILL?

On Friday, Nottingham Forest announced Steve Cotterill would be their new manager, signing a three-and-a-half year contract. The same Steve Cotterill Grimsby Townattempted to get in as manager*before Russell Slade back in 2004. The same Steve Cotterill who has never been a success outside of League 2. The same Steve Cotterill who floundered at Portsmouth and was probably a few games from getting sacked despite spending a fair chunk of money on some reasonably big names. So just what is it that football chairmen like about Steve Cotterill?His managerial record is reasonably unspectacular it has to be said. After his playing career was cut short by injury, Cotterill&#8217;s first job in management was at Irish club Sligo Rovers. In 13 months Cotterill took the Irish minnows into Europe and the group stages of the Intertoto Cup where they did gain a*creditable draw with Nantes. But a third place finish hardly set the world alight and it wasn&#8217;t until a move to non league Cheltenham in February 1997 that his career started to move forward. Cotterill spent almost five years at the club, as he got them into the Conference, then FA Trophy winners, then promoted into League 2 and even promotion to League 1. His reward was a move to Stoke City, but he lasted just 13 games &#8211; winning only three of them &#8211; before he left to be Howard Wilkinson&#8217;s assistant at Sunderland. There he lasted just 20 games before*he was sacked and back in the footballing wilderness.Cotterill was out of work for 18 months and, after telling Grimsby Town he wasn&#8217;t interested, was appointed manager of Burnley in the summer of 2004. Lasting three seasons at Turf Moor, Cotterill did manage some success in the FA Cup but 55 wins in 161 games &#8211; with a 19 game winless streak in the middle &#8211; didn&#8217;t leave too many Burnley fans disappointed when he left by &#8216;mutual consent&#8217;. Another 30 month period on the sidelines was eventually ended as he took Notts County up from League 2 to league 1, winning 14 of the last 18 games of the season*after taking over from Hans Backe. His short-term contractended in May 2010 amid rumours he&#8217;d attracted interest from Championship Portsmouth*and that&#8217;s exactly where he ended up.The thing is, Cotterill hardly set Fratton Park on fire. With the club in financial difficulties he did well to help the club finish in 16th position, but despite bringing in some well known players on decent wages, such as David Norris, Luke Varney, Aaron Mokoena, Benjani, Tal Ben Haim and Dave Kitson, the club languished in 19th place. Just 12 days ago fans were talking about whether*Cotterill should be sacked, so you could argue Forest&#8217;s approach for him was a bit of a surprise. New Forest chairman Frank Clark told the club&#8217;s website Cotterill was &#8216;first choice&#8217; because of his &#8216;terrific CV&#8217;, claiming: &#8220;He&#8217;s enthusiastic, he&#8217;s hungry, he&#8217;s got a terrific CV and he&#8217;s experienced at this level. He was everything we were looking for.&#8221; But I, and I suspect many Forest supporters, will feel Cotterill is an underwhelming appointment with a patchy CV at best. Time will tell, but I&#8217;m not sure I can fathom exactly what it is football chairmen see in Steve Cotterill&#8230;
 
ibodyslamrhinos said:
Why are you telling me things I already know, doing what you usually do, which is stating the bleeding obvious. You are forgetting that the Premiership is becoming ever more technical for one reason only, foreigners. You love the samba boys and their technical brilliance, but with the Andy Carrolls and the Ricky Lamberts, you get hard work, with a game which is MEANT to be physical. You are forgetting what foreigners have also brought to our shores, which is diving and play acting, which has ultimately taken tackling out of the game. As a defensive midfielder, seeing Wes Brown sent off for what was a typical part of the game, is a disgrace.

However, I refuse to be drawn off topic by you time and time again, because that all you do when you are being proven wrong. Basic facts are ignored by you and you have no answer for them, so you bang on about kids, and technical approach to the game, forgetting the key point of it all, which is to win, or in our case, keep our head above water. Which SOD was not achieving having been given probably 5 months more than any other manager would have been.

This is the last time I will reply to any of your comments on any thread, as you are an oaf.
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Yes I admire the skill of Brazillians, a player I also liked was Kleberson and he had some Anglo Saxon traits e.g Hard work. Skill and a work ethic are not mutally exclusive.

No the premeirship has become more technical because all football has. The ideas of Reep and Hughes - POMO etc has been rejected as outdated and utterly self defeating.

I like facts v opinion e.g City are a shambles and O'driscoll had lost the dressing room. I also like being positive.

Oaf ... Well you have also questioned my age and mental state. Thats par for the course when replying to yourself. It is so routine, its jocular. I doubt if you really are so uninhibited away from your lap top.
 
RedorDead BCFC said:
I find it funny that, people are saying SC is all hoof ball when none of us actually know do we. We have only seen his teams play against us maybe once or twice a season,
And now we are saying the academy is going to fail because of SC <laugh>


**** me he's not even here and we want him sacked.


I don't care about RR comments because they change like the wind anyway. But if he does become a manager let's look to see what he does then not write him off straight away.
I would suspect if he does come here it won't be pretty it will be what's needed to survive this season that SoD ****ed up for us. I don't care about the Carlisle game if I shagged 20 women I'm bound to make one of them cum so one good performance don't make a season. Orient was ok but compared to the dross we've been watching this season it was not hard but all we yielded was one point against the massive club.
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I am with RoD on this one. What on earth makes you all so hysterical that you think within a week of Cotterill joining us the whole coaching ethos at City's academy and down will be "get the ball into the box lads - plenty of height on it" ? Where is your proof for this? Did Harry Rednapp employ him as a coach and ask him to stop the lads passing and get it up there. Give it the big one? I doubt it. Redknapp likes to play football.

Manager's manage with what they have and if it gets results then they get to keep their job. Graham Taylor made it all the way to the England job with a game based on creating chances. Into the Channel. Knock-downs. Flick-on's. Personally I wouldn't mind a slightly more direct approach. Most weeks I see that we have more than 50% possession (according to the BBC) but only get 1 or 2 shots on target per game. That's no way to win a game of football. And win games of football we must.

Lets see it first eh?
 
glenngregory said:
Graham Taylor made it all the way to the England job
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And put Geoff Thomas and Carlton Plamer in his team.

"Go on Carlton get it up there Son, Go on Carlton, LONG CARLTON, LLLLLLLLONG, RIGHT UP THERE, GWAN SON ... Should be lines from a blue film not a Ingerlund Manager.
 
Hindsight is a wonderfull thing,SC has done a fantastic job in taking the club to the mid table safety zone.

All city fans will thank him for that,however not to market the job was very strange at the time.

I get the impression that he is on a mission,to take the club we all love, and follow back to the championship next year.

Hopefully a turn around from the last four years of rubbish we have endured.
 
ibodyslamrhinos said:
Why are you telling me things I already know, doing what you usually do, which is stating the bleeding obvious. You are forgetting that the Premiership is becoming ever more technical for one reason only, foreigners. You love the samba boys and their technical brilliance, but with the Andy Carrolls and the Ricky Lamberts, you get hard work, with a game which is MEANT to be physical. You are forgetting what foreigners have also brought to our shores, which is diving and play acting, which has ultimately taken tackling out of the game. As a defensive midfielder, seeing Wes Brown sent off for what was a typical part of the game, is a disgrace.

However, I refuse to be drawn off topic by you time and time again, because that all you do when you are being proven wrong. Basic facts are ignored by you and you have no answer for them, so you bang on about kids, and technical approach to the game, forgetting the key point of it all, which is to win, or in our case, keep our head above water. Which SOD was not achieving having been given probably 5 months more than any other manager would have been.



This is the last time I will reply to any of your comments on any thread, as you are an oaf.
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You're missing the point about foreign players IBS
That is, the foreigners have brought CRAFT back to English football
Craft and skill, artistic expression:something seen as a bit gay on the playing fields of England but revered, nay, EXPECTED on any patch of grass in any other nation of the world.
That is why we can only turn out automatons in this country, and why we have not won a major international competition since 1066

On your note about SOD, there can be no doubt. A fine coach but lamentable man manager.
I would rather have a Shankly than a chess player for manager any day, and for me that is the comparison between SOD and Cotterill.
That doesn't mean our kids have to grow up without a 'trick', and I'm sure SOD would be first class at bringing that out in them at any top youth academy
 
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