Scotch Independence - the countdown

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

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gas. said:
Right enough but the fact is the majority of the UK are ruled by government we didnae vote for as the current mob never got a majority vote.

If you ****s **** of we doon here face the prospect of Tory government for generations. :(
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You could always move up here, we'll take anyone.
 
Gambol said:
Personally, I'm still undecided.

I don't like things as they are because it doesn't matter how Scotland votes in a General Election. We get swamped by how Nigelshire votes. Therefore, other than the devolvement Governement "allows" us we have no say in how our country is run. Under devolvement we can think we do, but it's under constraints set by a Government we didn't vote in and have no hope of voting out.

I remain undecided only because of the lack of concrete information as to what would be the shape of an independent Scotland.
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I come from Hitchin, we have had a Conservative MP since...ever. I never bothered to vote as the Tories had such a massive majority. Until this government, we in Hitchin endured twelve years under a Labour government voted in by scotch/taffs/northerners/immigrants/benefits recipients. This twelve years of lunacy was not enough to persuade me that Hitchin should seek independence.
 
gas. said:
Right enough but the fact is the majority of the UK are ruled by government we didnae vote for as the current mob never got a majority vote.

If you ****s **** of we doon here face the prospect of Tory government for generations. :(
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Yep, that's about the size of it. What's worse is that Labour under Blair became Tory of a different colour so ye's don't even have options.

On the plus side, we've got the chance to get the hell out of it :grin:
 
stopmeandslapme said:
I come from Hitchin, we have had a Conservative MP since...ever. I never bothered to vote as the Tories had such a massive majority. Until this government, we in Hitchin endured twelve years under a Labour government voted in by scotch/taffs/northerners/immigrants/benefits recipients. This twelve years of lunacy was not enough to persuade me that Hitchin should seek independence.
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Is Hitchin a country?
 
stopmeandslapme said:
I come from Hitchin, we have had a Conservative MP since...ever. I never bothered to vote as the Tories had such a massive majority. Until this government, we in Hitchin endured twelve years under a Labour government voted in by scotch/taffs/northerners/immigrants/benefits recipients. This twelve years of lunacy was not enough to persuade me that Hitchin should seek independence.
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The only reason Blair's Labour got in was because the Tories ****ed it up and pissed off enough of Nigelshire to allow the Scottish/Welsh Labour vote to hold some sway. A swing by England back to Tory/LibDem easily wiped out the Scottish/Welsh vote.

What's the rough voting population? 48 million in England, 5 million in Scotland, 4 million in Wales? Disny take a genius to see the democratic problem.
 
Gambol said:
The only reason Blair's Labour got in was because the Tories ****ed it up and pissed off enough of Nigelshire to allow the Scottish/Welsh Labour vote to hold some sway. A swing by England back to Tory/LibDem easily wiped out the Scottish/Welsh vote.

What's the rough voting population? 48 million in England, 5 million in Scotland, 4 million in Wales? Disny take a genius to see the democratic problem.
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There's a thousand towns like Hitchen, Tory ****s through and through. All the urban places are in the main Labour with a few LibDems.
 
Gambol said:
The only reason Blair's Labour got in was because the Tories ****ed it up and pissed off enough of Nigelshire to allow the Scottish/Welsh Labour vote to hold some sway. A swing by England back to Tory/LibDem easily wiped out the Scottish/Welsh vote.

What's the rough voting population? 48 million in England, 5 million in Scotland, 4 million in Wales? Disny take a genius to see the democratic problem.
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It's not a democratic problem, the party with the largest vote forms the government. You're just moaning that a sub-section of the UK population sometimes don't get the government they vote for. Same for Hitchin/Hertfordshire/the nice bits of England.
 
DevAdvocate said:
So what leads you to make comparisons with an actual Country - which was at one time an independent nation, and a market town?

I don't see what you suggest is at all logical.
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I'm making (or trying to) the point that moaning about sometimes not getting the government that a particular sub-section have voted for is not a case for carving-up a country.
 
stopmeandslapme said:
I'm making (or trying to) the point that moaning about sometimes not getting the government that a particular sub-section have voted for is not a case for carving-up a country.
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And that would be an entirely reasonable argument if the Independence of Scotland was being sought merely because the voting system was deemed unfair.

It's a bit more complex though, many factors are at play and if the Yes vote is succesful, I doubt many would vote that way simply because they are sick of just the Tories. I know I won't, even though i'm still undecided. I personally want rid of the Monarchy, that's my prime motivation for independence.
 
DevAdvocate said:
And that would be an entirely reasonable argument if the Independence of Scotland was being sought merely because the voting system was deemed unfair.

It's a bit more complex though, many factors are at play and if the Yes vote is succesful, I doubt many would vote that way simply because they are sick of just the Tories. I know I won't, even though i'm still undecided. I personally want rid of the Monarchy, that's my prime motivation for independence.
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But the nationalists have already stated the Queen will remain head of state for an independent Scotland.

You keep the Queen but you don't get our pound, our BBC and we get Standard Life. It's a deal. :D
 
stopmeandslapme said:
It's not a democratic problem, the party with the largest vote forms the government. You're just moaning that a sub-section of the UK population sometimes don't get the government they vote for. Same for Hitchin/Hertfordshire/the nice bits of England.
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<laugh>

Yer at the wind up.

Comparing voting demographic of towns/shires within a country against the demographic of Scotland.

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Salmond plans to keep the monarchy along with the pound which is controlled by the Bank of England which answers to the (Tory) government.
I think the monarchy is irrelevant compared to keeping the pound.
 
gas. said:
But the nationalists have already stated the Queen will remain head of state for an independent Scotland.

You keep the Queen but you don't get our pound, our BBC and we get Standard Life. It's a deal. :D
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That's open to change, i've been advised (By ST no less) that bit of legislation will be altered an we will be Royalty free eventually. It's much more likely to happen in an Independent Scotland than in a United Kingdom.
 
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