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People find republicanism offensive due to what,parts of, it represents...the killing of innocents in the name if politics.

So, I can see why people would be offended at a song celebrating the lives of people, jailed due to political beliefs that made them commit criminal acts, who killed themselves in prison supporting politics that people found offensive.
 
Celtic are a Scottish club with Irish roots based in Scotland playing in the Scottish league...singing songs about a political movement that killed innocent people in support if a cause in another country will offend people.
 
DevAdvocate said:
Is that right? You've decided that's what offends me (and perhaps the rest of the people on here who say it's offensive?)

<laugh>

It does not work that way i'm afraid.
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Really? And how exactly have I done that? I have acknowledged that you, and others, are offended. I have asked you to justify your rationale as to why you have stated the content is offensive and you have repeatedly failed to do so.
 
DevAdvocate said:
RebelBhoy said:
I've posted the sash on this site loads of times. The WolfeTones do a good version. It isn't offensive.... So.....


I am sure you are aware that it is a different song to the one we are discussing.
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Yes it is a different song but it's also a song which has nothing in it's content which reasonable people should find offensive and that's why I gave it as an example because it IS offensive, if you lived in Scotland you would understand.
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So after everything you have said you are telling me that I should be offenfed by it?

This is getting Kafka-esque.
 
pud said:
Celtic are a Scottish club with Irish roots based in Scotland playing in the Scottish league...singing songs about a political movement that killed innocent people in support if a cause in another country will offend people.
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We are talking about the roll of honour.
 
RebelBhoy said:
Really? And how exactly have I done that? I have acknowledged that you, and others, are offended. I have asked you to justify your rationale as to why you have stated the content is offensive and you have repeatedly failed to do so.
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Here's a bit I wrote about Bobby Sands:

I don't have a problem with Rangers wanting to show support for the Armed Forces but when it turns into a jingoistic free for all and we have the unedifying sight of men in uniform dancing around like twats at a song gloryfying the death of another (Bobby Sands) i'm afraid it becomes embarassing and not a little disgusting.
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http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/231342-Armed-Forces-Day-at-Ibrox/page2

What you said:

RebelBhoy said:
You just don't like it because it says the name Bobby Sands. That's all.
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I've told you several times what the song is about, what the message is, who the song is about and what the background is, none of the individual names mentioned in the song offend me, None, why would they?
 
RebelBhoy said:
We are talking about the roll of honour.
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And it celebrates the life/death of members of an outlawed terrorist group or groups who killed innocent people in the name of political beliefs...

Martyrs for a cause that many in mainland UK find offensive...
 
That's why some people may find singing that song offensive...for what it supports.
 
eric cartman said:
Remember the police allow marches in memory of the hunger strikers.
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That maybe the case, and I support people's right to do so...but not a football match ...and nit whilst representing one social group I.e. Celtic fans.


Go to a March, you are all like minded... go to a neutral place , a football stadium, you are likely to cause offence.
 
pud said:
That maybe the case, and I support people's right to do so...but not a football match ...and nit whilst representing one social group I.e. Celtic fans.


Go to a March, you are all like minded... go to a neutral place , a football stadium, you are likely to cause offence.
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Not really, many a time I have been offended by the orange walk parading past me.
 
eric cartman said:
Not really, many a time I have been offended by the orange walk parading past me.
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I meant if you go to a March....by choice, then you are all like minded. Not if it goes past you...

I find orange and republican marches offensive...so I tend to stay out of the area they are in.
 
DevAdvocate said:
So March organisers request permission to march from the Police?

They don't, they ask permssion from the Local Authority/Council who are responsible for the place where the march takes place. The Police have little say in the matter.
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The police do have a say in the matter. They can veto the march if they can't police it properly.
 
pud said:
People find republicanism offensive due to what,parts of, it represents...the killing of innocents in the name if politics.

So, I can see why people would be offended at a song celebrating the lives of people, jailed due to political beliefs that made them commit criminal acts, who killed themselves in prison supporting politics that people found offensive.
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This is reasonable. In reaching that point you have taken three steps away from the song and its contents.

And this illustrates my point wrt the implementation of the Act. You have to step away from the contents of the song, you have to step away from the events the song is referencing before you can even start to think about where offence is found.

Dev wants to cut out a few steps to justify his position and in turn give credence to the criminalising of a song. That is why I am so vehemently attacking his position because it just doesn't add up.

I have repeatedly asked him to try and tally it, but he hasn't.
 
pud said:
I meant if you go to a March....by choice, then you are all like minded. Not if it goes past you...

I find orange and republican marches offensive...so I tend to stay out of the area they are in.
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Or the police could apply the law and stop these marches. People should not have to avoid places because of the idiots in the world.
 
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