Even the yanks think Ashley Cole's a ****
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If you wanna bitch about tipping, blame your manager for paying you like ****. They underpay waiters and expect customers to basically pay for half of their salaries.
Anyways, not sure about this video, doesn't sound and look like him and she doesn't mention anything about under tipping does she?
Anyways, not sure about this video, doesn't sound and look like him and she doesn't mention anything about under tipping does she?
Yes, she does it's right at the end. He says something about soccer, and she goes on about tipping.
Tipping may be different there but here if you dont tip they dont get paid. It isnt a question of a manger paying you like **** as they dont pay you at all. I think here in the US you get about $2.00 an hour legally(£1.26). That basically only covers paying the tax on the tips that you make on credit cards. My pay check for 2 weeks when I worked in college used to be about $20. Can you live off $20? It isnt a question of paying half their salaries as you pay their entire salary. You tip like **** and someone is going to yell at you. Just last week I went to a restaurant and a dude left 3 dollars in tip for him and his chick. I saw this and I stood up and called the dude a cheep ****ing asshole and put a 10 on his table for the waitress.
What do you do if the waitress is an obnoxious tart who serves you cold burnt food?
Maybe America should be more like the UK and Europe, and pay staff wages out of the gross profit made on whatever products/goods are sold, and not expect customers to pay twice for the same meal. That way these embarrassing situations between customers and staff can be avoided. I'd also like to know what kind of mental deficiencies you suffer from that led to you insulting a paying member of the public, who paid for his meal what the restaurant advertised. $3 is more of a tip than I'd leave. Often I don't leave any at all.
PS. Ellewoods has put me on ignore for being mean to negroes. Someone better quote this crap.
Admit you made a mistake eating in Hull
Then you dont tip her much, I still wouldnt do any less than 10%. I mean clearly we arnt talking about **** watiresses/waiters. Standard % is 20% and you never leave any less than a $5. Never give any less than $1 per beer if you just go up to the bar. If you are at a table with your buddies you should do the standard 20%. It is more than someone getting pissed at you. You would never want to eat at a place twice where you tipped like ****. Unless you want to eat spit or something, bc they will do that to your food.
Because they get tipped they do not fall under our standard minimum wage. It is understood that their salary is their tips. Being a waitress in the US was always the standard job that any uneducated woman could do and still be able to support a child. It used to be the standard job for every single mother and a job that allowed her to provide. There is a real anger here towards people who do not tip waitresses because of that.
Maybe America should be more like the UK and Europe, and pay staff wages out of the gross profit made on whatever products/goods are sold, and not expect customers to pay twice for the same meal. That way these embarrassing situations between customers and staff can be avoided. I'd also like to know what kind of mental deficiencies you suffer from that led to you insulting a paying member of the public, who paid for his meal what the restaurant advertised. $3 is more of a tip than I'd leave. Often I don't leave any at all.
PS. Ellewoods has put me on ignore for being mean to negroes. Someone better quote this crap.
Admit you made a mistake eating in Hull
I do have you on ignore for racist reason but sometimes I look at your posts.
Yes clearly the way to fix it would be to pay them more as a base salary but that will never happen here. In fact the conservatives in our country want to remove the minimum wage completely and with it the minimum for servers. That would mean that a tip would would still be their salary.
How do I do that? Easy you leave $3 bucks in front of me and I will be in your face in an instant. I will not be the only person there giving you a piece of my mind either. Ill make you look like the biggest piece of **** that you have ever seen in front of your lady and if that lands to blows so be it. Its not a joke, thats their rent, food for their kids, the clothes on their backs. If you cant tip then your ass goes to the grocery store and buys food there.
Maybe it's different for you, having grown up with that culture, but I know that if I ever go to America (and I definitely want to at some point) I'll find it hard to give $10 to a waitress for providing a basic service I get for free in England. Well, I say free, when I'm aware that their wage comes out of my meal price, but you know what I mean. If the restaurant draws me in with the offer of good meal at a decent price, and I'm not legally obliged to tip*, then why should I care about their kids or their rent? I'm not a charity.
*Which I have to say seems wrong, given that you say the government recognises 'tips' as a definite and substantial part of their earnings
Another PS. Have you ever been to a City game?
But you make it sound like this is ok. Why should we pay for their salaries on top of our food? Why should the manager get away with not paying them and cashing in our bill?
I went to the U.S recently and tipping was a hot topic during the whole stay. In the end we agreed that it was bullshit. I should tip for extra effort. Someone who went out of their way to make things nice for us. If they do so, tipping becomes natural. But everyone expects a tip over there, cab drivers, waiting staff, valets and so on, no matter what the quality of their service. Now that's not right.
On top of all that **** you have tax added to prices. Why aren't managers paying their staff then? I go to a restaurant and expect my food to be made and brought to me. It's not ****ing rocket science or worthy of $10/20 a table. It should be part of the experience. Are you suggesting that I go to a bar, have to pay for my drink, get it brought by some girl 5 feet away, pay tax and then give her $10 on top? So the bar or restaurant is limited to offering seating arrangements and cooking your food but the bringing it to the table part is charged $10 per person...
Exactly. Let's say a UK waitress is at uni, as ellewoods was. She'll earn £5 an hour. In an hour, a waitress can serve at least five tables. So that's £1 a table, or at current rates $1.60. If I tipped twice that amount ellewoods would still be prepared to fight me in the middle of the restaurant
We did generally tip when we there, as we adapted but it doesn't make it right. The way I see it is I'll tip (generously too) if I've received service that exceeds the basic low standard of waiting tables which is " Hello, what can I get you" then bring food from A to B.
Why are cooks paid then but not waitresses?
Also I was thinking about the touristy areas and they are getting tipped nicely for doing pretty much **** all. I'm not saying it's an easy job in a diner or what but I was calculating that a waitress could EASILY make $150 a night! that's more than many people in this world. So the whole thing is ****ed really.
I don't see how it is the customers responsibility to put the waitresses kids through school or pay their electricity bill. I honestly don't, it is absolutely ludicrous. I love the U.S when I go but it's **** like this and many more things that put me off ever trying to live here.
I also think the % rate of tips (which defers depending on your "generosity/stupidity") should be around the 8%. I think if you're gonna ask for tip then that should be the amount in this current world. Because a couple altogether would probably spend 80$ for a nice evening meal somewhere right? well 8% is $6.50. Which is more than decent. That's a mcdonalds meal, or pack of smokes or what not. Multiply that by a whole shift of 20 tables and that's ****ing decent daily rate!
FINALLY can you clarify this for me ( I may have got it wrong) but we felt like we were getting ripped off because when we received a bill for food that was according to the menu let's say $50 , rather than being asked to tip 15% of $50 we were asked to tip 15% of $50+TAX How the **** does that work? So part of the tip I'm giving her has nothing to do with the food or her service but simply what the U.S government is taxing me.
Cab drivers, waiting staff, valets etc all are not covered under out minimum wage. Out minimum wage inst enough to live off of anyway. Yes I am suggesting you tip her. I am not saying that our system makes the most sense but there is no choice here. If the restaurant paid a real salary your food bill would go up that much. Now that would make more sense but that is not going to happen in the US. You might think it is bullshit but that is the system, when you dont tip you are making sure that her kids cant eat. You are not taking some stance that makes the business hurt, you are hurting that worker.
There is no chance in hell that our politicians will raise the minimum wage to a point where you do not have to tip. Yes tax is added to the prices, its added to everything you buy or pay for no matter if it is food, t-shirts a house etc. That pays for roads, cops, schools ect. Your personal income tax pays for our federal government. Why would tax have anything to do with what a manager pays their staff? The business doesnt get the tax its a tax its paid to the city or state government.
Cooks are paid because cooks dont get tipped.
No waitress in a dinner makes $150 a night. A really nice restaurant maybe on a Friday or Saturday but certainly not the other days they work. Certainly not at any diner, unless you are talking some New York thing. Sorry but no waitress/waiter is rich or lives comfortably, it does not happen. They do not make much money. Perhaps you have only visited New York or something. Even then think of the cost of living. I can tell you that it is simply not the case that being a waiter in a regular town or city is a good living. You are poor if not in poverty. If you have kids you are in poverty and chances are it is not your only job.
Yes you are asked to tip on top of the tax. Your tip is in relation to your total bill.
I am guessing that it is simply different there. Here you are a **** person if you dont tip, if you tip 8% you are a **** person. If you did that in front of a girl on a first date that would be your last date. If you did that in front of friends you would have less friends. Find some social norm that violating there would be the equivalent of and thats what it is. You are abnormal if you act like that and people will think less of you for it. You try to explain your reason for tipping 8% and people are here only going to hear that you are a **** person.
I am not saying you are a **** person. You live in England, just saying you as in some fictional you that lives here.
I should say that some jobs over time have had to add tipping. Companies have not increased pay to counter act inflation. They simply refuse. So tipping has expanded to cover that difference. Things like Taxi Cabs, most of what you are paying goes to govt fees and upkeep of the cars. I know they make more than a waitress for example and I know that you dont tip them 20%. I dont live in a city so I dont know what % is standard there. But the dude who makes your coffee in the morning. It is standard to tip the change into the jar that is shared between all the staff and supplements their income because their salaries are so small. OLM has probably been to a starbucks and knows what I am talking about.
Its not the best system I know that. Our government is dysfunctional to the extreme. I know you guys think yours is but it isnt in relation to ours. Things like this will not be fixed no matter how much sense you are making. And when you violate that social norm you are not making some grand statement in protest you really are hurting the workers of the society. Think how many of you had a mom who was a waitress or in a job that relies on tips here. It is her that people like that hurt and you because you were her kid. Our social safety nets are not good here. It is really really hard on people who are poor and people take offense easily about tipping. Tipping in general because we all have this vision of the single mother working 3 jobs trying to provide for her kids. No one is going to yell at you about not tipping a cab driver.
Exactly. Let's say a UK waitress is at uni, as ellewoods was. She'll earn £5 an hour. In an hour, a waitress can serve at least five tables. So that's £1 a table, or at current rates $1.60. If I tipped twice that amount ellewoods would still be prepared to fight me in the middle of the restaurant
Na man you all have a different system. I wouldnt go there and start trouble just as I hope when you all come here you tip. When in Rome and all that.
If yours make £5 that would be $7.96 (which is basically our minimum wage which they dont qualify for). Ours make about $2 or £1.26. Your tip is probably fine since yours make more money per hour. Plus yours arnt expecting to get that extra money like ours our.
Lets say your university waitress. If it is college girl then that wage is used to pay for school. Our universities are expensive they arnt like yours. My sister had $50,000 in college debt when she graduated and my partner still has $80,000 in college debt and when she graduated had $150,000 in debts(she has 3 degrees and went to law school). So you can think about how one could work a waitress job while in school and pay for it and housing and food etc while earning $1.26 with no tips. You cant, you have to tip, unless you want a bigger social issue with student debt than we already have here.
Last time I was in America a girl found a dead bird in her swimming pool and asked me if it had been born yet.
I said well its out of its egg, and she still struggled to grasp the whole situation.
I then asked her in what context did she mean had it been born yet, and she didn't understand my question.
But in her mind it was a perfectly valid question for her to ask.
I now know not to ever argue with Americans.
I said well its out of its egg, and she still struggled to grasp the whole situation.
I then asked her in what context did she mean had it been born yet, and she didn't understand my question.
But in her mind it was a perfectly valid question for her to ask.
I now know not to ever argue with Americans.
Unless it's REALLY good service I never tip. I'll pay for a service, but if I don't have the option of serving myself, it's not unreasonable to assume the price includes bringing it to my table.
Some stroppy bint shouting at me wouldn't change that, and some nosey git watching my bill wouldn't either.
I'm unlikely to go anyway, but if I did go to America it'd be as a tourist, so I'd be unlikely to go back to the cafe for the stroppy bint to spit in my food anyway and any woman making the trip with me is liable to be of the same mind. To tip simply encourages the system that you say yourself is wrong.
Some stroppy bint shouting at me wouldn't change that, and some nosey git watching my bill wouldn't either.
I'm unlikely to go anyway, but if I did go to America it'd be as a tourist, so I'd be unlikely to go back to the cafe for the stroppy bint to spit in my food anyway and any woman making the trip with me is liable to be of the same mind. To tip simply encourages the system that you say yourself is wrong.
I'm intrigued by this, obviously we have a completely different system, in that the restaurant has to pay a decent wage and we only have to tip if we feel we've had good service and want to reward our server.
Obviously, our system is much better, as you know exactly where you stand and good service is encouraged.
I'm sorry Ellewoods, but if you told me what to tip someone, I'd probably deck you and kick you repeatedly in the bollocks.
I wonder how much this changes depending on what restaurant you're in?
If I'm in the Strip House in New York, where the cheapest wine is $40(and goes up to $800), the steak is $20-$30 and the sides are $10 each and I pay for a table of four, how much am I expected to tip? If I'm paying $400-500 for a meal, am I seriously expected to hand over a $80-100 tip?
Obviously, our system is much better, as you know exactly where you stand and good service is encouraged.
I'm sorry Ellewoods, but if you told me what to tip someone, I'd probably deck you and kick you repeatedly in the bollocks.
I wonder how much this changes depending on what restaurant you're in?
If I'm in the Strip House in New York, where the cheapest wine is $40(and goes up to $800), the steak is $20-$30 and the sides are $10 each and I pay for a table of four, how much am I expected to tip? If I'm paying $400-500 for a meal, am I seriously expected to hand over a $80-100 tip?