More drink price facts from me... I was in town on Friday night, Old Town, specifically. A pint of what I was drinking was, on average, about £3.30. Throw in about £4 on top for a 'large' glass of sugary pink stuff they somehow call wine for her, and you can pretty much get ****ed if you think I'm tipping the bar staff on top of that. My point is, presumably in America, your core product (food and drink) is so much cheaper, that the price of a tip and tax on top doesn't seem so much of a stretch? It would have to be, otherwise you'd never be able to afford to go out, and the industry would die, through its own greed and exploitation. So, I conclude, we MUST be looking at this through our experiences as British consumers (ie, we get ripped off all the time) and that makes it harder for us to understand. That doesn't explain what OLM is saying about this place in New York, but I suppose in general, in somewhere cheaper, my point stands.