How long do we give him?

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ncgandy said:
I think so - it was perhaps an unnecessary inclusion in a good post. I hadn't got that feeling at all. I would cite myself, Dave, RBF for starters as unflappable (older) optimists. :grin:
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Count it as a compliment - Supers told me he thought you were 17

:stir the pot smiley:
 
Fenland Canary said:
As has been pointed out they are a League Two side, but when you look at last nights result in context it's a good score line. What about West Ham v Cheltenham?, Liverpool v Notts County?, Fulham v Burton?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/results

When you compare our result to those the result last night was pretty good :)
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Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed said:
pretty confident munky was joking <ok>
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Absolutely damn bloody right I was <somersault>
 
Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed said:
just to add to my earlier post, any comparisons to roeder are so over the top it makes me cringe.
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Nobody on here has made any comparison with Roeder have they? I mentioned him yesterday, but only in response to the notion that it "takes a manager time to get to know his squad" when I highlighted how the Rodent was Mr.Wonderful at the start and had that long unbeaten run. Turns out that it "takes a Rodent time to lose the dressing room and get his squad to hate his guts" would be the best way to describe him <laugh>

I really wasn't comparing the two at all, and I'll repeat I've never said I want Hootun out or for us to change managers, it was just an example I happened to use about how manager's can hit the ground running with a new squad - not that I want anyone to try doing that with us right now <ok>
 
Based on the current rash of falsehoods and false logic on here, carrabuh must be by far the oldest on this board, indeed he must be some sort of fossil (which would at least explain why his ideas are apparently set in stone). <ok>
 
So who here is of the opinion that it takes time to build a team into a working gelled unit?, some think that CH should be able to hit the ground running and the team should be an instant success.
 
Fenland Canary said:
So who here is of the opinion that it takes time to build a team into a working gelled unit?, some think that CH should be able to hit the ground running and the team should be an instant success.
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I think for some teams it takes time, others it doesn't. Sometimes you can make wholesale squad changes and hit the ground running, sometimes you can't. Sometimes it depends on the quality of the players, sometimes it doesn't. Some players can fit in easily, others take time or never. Some positions are easy to replace, others aren't.

Hope that helps!
 
Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed said:
you see, this makes a lot of sense but isn't this the case with any manager? most people tend to judge managers based on a season, not a handful of games. now yes, he has already had a season but he actually did a good job, something some people either forget or refuse to believe. no, the football was not always entertaining and we did suffer some heavy defeats but he fulfilled his brief and was trusted by the board to spend heavily this summer. he is NOT about to be sacked if a few fans are unhappy with the style of play - it just isn't going to happen! he's been appointed as a long term manager of the football club and he'll have a long term plan that he'll be sticking to rather than adjusting to please certain fans. we might finish lower than last year. that doesn't mean we've gone backwards in the same way that finishing higher last season wasn't an indication of progress - its a tough division. if he keeps us up again he'll have done well, simple as that. we don't have to show progression through 'style' - its about staying up again so the club can build on the early foundations laid. if you don't like that then you aren't considering how difficult the league is. the money spent is irrelevant - it was a necessity as our closest competitors have done likewise. the progress might occur over a longer period of time than one season - as i keep saying any progress will be painfully slow on the field from this point - although i have to say i've already seen a few glimpses to suggest the style has been tweaked and when players return to fitness it will be more noticeable.
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A very sensible post and I have to say I agree with most of it. I was just talking with another fan having coffee and both Swansea and Saints have made some excellent buys in this transfer window. Last night's display was excellent and I know we won't get that sort of space aginst other PL teams, but we looked as though we wanted to go forward and score goals. <ok>
 
Fenland Canary said:
So who here is of the opinion that it takes time to build a team into a working gelled unit?, some think that CH should be able to hit the ground running and the team should be an instant success.
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sometimes it takes time, sometimes its instant. our biggest problem this summer has been keeping key players fit and unfortunately its carrying on into the season - that's not the managers fault! we've had numerous injury problems and its disrupted all our plans. until we can get a grip of what our strongest eleven is (if there is one) or at least get key players fit and playing again it's very difficult to judge how successful this side will be. i'd suggest we've so far only played one of our first choice defenders so far in either league game. last year we lost ruddy, a key player but we still managed to stay up. we've probably had five or six so far - had we had this many injuries last season i think we'd have gone down so its imperative that people remain patient until such time that its actually obvious that the manager is taking us backwards. i'm yet to see a trend which suggests he's even started taking us backwards which is why i find it utterly insane to suggest giving ultimatums or timescales for dismissal.
 
Canary Rob said:
I think for some teams it takes time, others it doesn't. Sometimes you can make wholesale squad changes and hit the ground running, sometimes you can't. Sometimes it depends on the quality of the players, sometimes it doesn't. Some players can fit in easily, others take time or never. Some positions are easy to replace, others aren't.

Hope that helps!
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That was kinda my point - football isn't an exact science <ok>
 
I think as a side we might take longer to gel than others, as we've got a completely different type of striker to feed this season. The approach play has to change to reflect that, and that can take time.
 
DHCanary said:
I think as a side we might take longer to gel than others, as we've got a completely different type of striker to feed this season. The approach play has to change to reflect that, and that can take time.
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Exactly. The new players combined with injuries to key players meant that we couldn't exxperiment with the full team during pre-season friendlies - something that several posters on here (and 'Pink Un') choose to ignore. Let's hope R Bennett's injury isn't too serious.
 
Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed said:
i notice all our goals came from open play last night too. and so far, of the 8 goals scored, 5 have come from new summer signings.
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I commented on that at the time, too. Great for Fer and Elmander to score to help settle them in at the club and well taken - almost carbon-copy strikes, from Olsson and Pilks.
With adult admission at £10, the evening worked out to £1.11 per goal scored on the night. I defy anyone to find me better value than that.
(A friend of a friend who came along last night recently paid £56 to see Chelski v Aston Villa @ £18.66 per goal scored <yikes>)
 
Generally people need time and they are fortunate if they hit the ground running. I suppose the most famous instance is SAF where his initial period was pretty unimpressive and he was close to the sack (saved by Mark Robins as folklore goes) the rest as they say is history.
CH has been a divisive figure to a degree because he has not produced consistently the type of football that many Canaries want on a regular basis and some want to replace him with a more attacking minded manager. As Supers said earlier in this thread "be careful what you wish for" and the example of Wolves and Charlton have correctly been mentioned as a comparative where managers (McCarthy and Curbishley) were sacked as under-performing only to see their respective teams get relegated. Twice in both cases. Perhaps some of our more gung-ho posters might wish to be a tad more circumspect on such matters. Some hope!
 
Cromercanary said:
I commented on that at the time, too. Great for Fer and Elmander to score to help settle them in at the club and well taken - almost carbon-copy strikes, from Olsson and Pilks.
With adult admission at £10, the evening worked out to £1.11 per goal scored on the night. I defy anyone to find me better value than that.
(A friend of a friend who came along last night recently paid £56 to see Chelski v Aston Villa @ £18.66 per goal scored <yikes>)
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I can beat that, the EDP had a BOGOF promo on last night's tickets, so I only paid 55p a goal!
 
looks like a few supporters have been giving DM a bit of stick on his twitter account:

"@davidmcnally62 Don't you think it's a bit demoralizing for the fans dishing out £40 + travel to see such a defensive mind set every week?"

"@davidmcnally62 Our followings are going to be embarrassingly low If our attitude to away games doesn't improve. It's just not worth the £££"

"&#8220;@Scooterevesy: spot on lofty. We only escaped last season because the last two teams we played had nothing to play for.&#8221;"

https://twitter.com/davidmcnally62

Some people are so ungrateful for what DM has done for the club.
 
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