Roberto Martinez having a go at us ( again )

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Tobes said:
Come off it Swarbs you know fine well what he's been hoping to achieve here...

Anyway, pleased I was wrong about Fellaini, they both played well to boot.

I was told at the game that Baines was contacted by Moyes last weekend & he told him to hand in a transfer request - which he refused to do, saying that if there was to be a deal done, then it was up to the 2 clubs to sort & that he wouldn't engineer it.
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Sorry Tobes, but I don't know anything of the sort.

If he was trying to force them to refuse to play then he'd have gone about it like Mourinho - dropping hints in the media about Baines needing to play in the CL to secure an England spot, Fellaini risking losing out to all the Belgian players at big clubs etc etc. Like I said, he's obviously hoping Fellaini and Baines will request a move, but then when does a manager trying to sign a player ever not do that?

You may have head Baines was contacted by Moyes, but ultimately that's no more reliable than something written in the Sun, regardless of who you heard it from. Unless you actually have any evidence or a statement from one of the players concerned then it's all just a load of hot air.
 
Christiansmith said:
Fair enough. We won't believe then. What I am saying we just to be careful before accusing a guy of doing something rather "unethical". The player would burn his bridges and the club affected. I am sure Moyes still has a lot of affection for Everton and wouldn't want to do any damage to his ex-club.
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<laugh> So trying to nick our best 2 players on the cheap isn't damaging?

I wouldn't like to see what he'd try & do if he no affection for us then.......
 
Tobes said:
Alcaraz was a free agent, so let's not count him eh.

He's bought 1 player from Wigan - Kone & he paid the release clause in his contract.
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How did Kone know to buy out his release cause without any outside suggestion from a third party?
 
Constcrepe said:
How did Kone know to buy out his release cause without any outside suggestion from a third party?
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Kone's release clause was all over he media just like Fellaini's was, the difference being that we just paid it......
 
Tobes said:
He approached his Chairman first, he was straight with Whelan , I think you'll find its called integrity
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<laugh> Of course only evil Man Utd would brief the press all summer about signing players, never Everton inform the papers about the release clause.
 
Constcrepe said:
<laugh> Of course only evil Man Utd would brief the press all summer about signing players, never Everton inform the papers about the release clause.
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Don`t think we have mentioned a single target yet, the only firm lnks a player has had with us is when their club have announced we have put in a bid.
 
Martinez has said in the express newspaper today:

Martinez said: “You have to have contingency plans. Believe me, the way you work in the transfer market is to always think about the unthinkable.

“We are working in a way in which you always need to have things in place. That’s working within the rules of the transfer window, so we always do that.”

Everton have also had informal discussions with Wigan concerning midfielder James McCarthy, although they are no closer to reaching agreement over a fee.

Latics chairman Dave Whelan is driving a hard bargain for a player of whom manager Owen Coyle is keen to hang on to.

“I’ve had conversations but not in a formal way,” said Martinez.

“I don’t want to be disrespectful. He is a Wigan player and I won’t speak publicly about something. But it’s an open secret that I am a big admirer of him.”
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So Everton are allowed to talk to other clubs, possibly in the process unsettling their players by speaking in public about it; but Utd are not permitted to make private official bids which are totally within the transfer rules. Roberto you two faced idiot.
 
Constcrepe said:
<laugh> So Martinez I suppose never approached him quietly iro a transfer.
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Managers wont approach players directly without the consent of the club, not since the whole Ashley Cole/Jose Mourinho thing.
If a manager gets insider info on a players contract (ie Release clauses), it will have been from the players agent.
Agents are constantly pimping players out to other teams and putting the feelers out to other clubs, and of course the agents know their clients contracts inside and out.
And the agents want the players to switch clubs because they get a huge commission for negotiating a huge contract for the player, which nowadays runs into millions of pounds.


Its all the dirty agents!! <grr>
 
Bodanki said:
Managers wont approach players directly without the consent of the club, not since the whole Ashley Cole/Jose Mourinho thing.
If a manager gets insider info on a players contract (ie Release clauses), it will have been from the players agent.
Agents are constantly pimping players out to other teams and putting the feelers out to other clubs, and of course the agents know their clients contracts inside and out.
And the agents want the players to switch clubs because they get a huge commission for negotiating a huge contract for the player, which nowadays runs into millions of pounds.


Its all the dirty agents!! <grr>
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Perhaps but Roberto of course has no problem speaking to the player via the agent thus circumventing the club who hold his contract and encouraging him to leave. Like I said, two faced.
 
Constcrepe said:
Perhaps but Roberto of course has no problem speaking to the player via the agent thus circumventing the club who hold his contract and encouraging him to leave. Like I said, two faced.
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He doesn't mention that he's spoken to either the player or his agent, all he said is that he's been looking at a contingency plan.
 
Bodanki said:
Managers wont approach players directly without the consent of the club, not since the whole Ashley Cole/Jose Mourinho thing.
If a manager gets insider info on a players contract (ie Release clauses), it will have been from the players agent.
Agents are constantly pimping players out to other teams and putting the feelers out to other clubs, and of course the agents know their clients contracts inside and out.
And the agents want the players to switch clubs because they get a huge commission for negotiating a huge contract for the player, which nowadays runs into millions of pounds.


Its all the dirty agents!! <grr>
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Pretty much.

It's the standard way transfers pan out nowadays. Agents let other managers know their players are willing to move, and leak all the details to the media. The buying club makes a bid, the player's manager rejects it, often with some public whining, the boards negotiate, the buying manager pretends he's being ethical whilst using various degrees of public and private comments to encourage the player to seek a move. Either the clubs agree a fee, with or without pressure from the player and agent to do so, or they don't.

It's been happening for years, so I don't understand why people get so high and mighty about it. Like that Independent article Const posted, I think managers only do it to try and gull their fans into thinking that they are so clever and superior to everyone else, whilst happily doing exactly the same thing behind the scenes.
 
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