Suarez Transfer News.

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I think if Real will bid for Suarez tonight, he will hand in a transfer request tomorrow morning. I guess Suarez wants to leave, but Arsenal is not his preferred destination.

 

Can you send your copy of the contract over so I can look at it please.

Sorry about the sarcasm, but there is loads more in it than that. I realize that the general British attitude is that any foreigner is by default an idiot, but it is just laughable.

How can you possibly think that a professional agent would just "mistake" a clause like that? It is too stupid for words.

The word coming out is that, yes all Liverpool have to do is allow them to talk, as long as the club is NOT a CL club. The real item in dispute is whether Arsenal are a CL club, not some kind of kindergarten mistake about Suarez and his people (and Arsenal) thinking that talking to Arsenal was the same as Liverpool releasing him, which always seemed a bit ridiculous.

 

What's the point of handing in a transfer request if Liverpool are gonna accept the bid? Makes no sense.

 

I wouldn't put any level of stupidity beyond an agent. These are parasites who demand millions of pounds for attending meetings between players and clubs who both already want to do business with each other. I would honestly be surprised if they even read the contract themselves.

Anyway, this source seems pretty conclusive on the issue:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/liverpool-luis-suarez-transfer-arsenal

 

I really hope Wenger & Co aren't putting off other signings because of this waste of time

 

Must be difficult to do much spending if you don't know if a signing will happen or how much it will cost. Presumably Wenger won't know about his forwards until Suarez is settled one way or the other, or indeed what his spending budget is - Suarez could be anywhere between £40 and £55m. Must be working on alternatives to Suarez, just in case.

 

Again, that is all it does oblige under the current situation.

Really? "I would honestly be surprised if they even read the contract themselves."

What? Honestly!!!!!!? Are you surprised when the sun comes up each morning?

 

Said it from the outset that getting this Suarez deal done was going to be next to impossible. Also, if Madrid were after him and Liverpool were still refusing to sell, I could have seen him kicking off in order to get move, but moving to us won't have the same appeal. Unless we bid over £50 Mil, this ain't happening, so instead of ****ing about, we might as well move on to actual targets that we could get. Maybe even shore up some of the other parts in our squad. A CM/DM for a start.

 

Although Superjack if it's actually a clause that says if we are in the CL they have to accept the 40mil offer then there is a good chance we will get him in. I think we have a few deals on the go, just because the attention is on this dealdoesn't meanthere aren't other thingsbeing done

 

Now, you assume that there is an exclusion regarding Liverpool's responsibilities for CL clubs. So I challenge you to show me chapter and verse on that matter. If you can't then go back to sleep and keep on dreaming.

As for the vigilance of football agents. Some are indeed very good and others are less so. I don't know about Suarez's agent or his ability to correctly interpret the wording of contracts so I will not make comment upon his competence. I will however note that he has had at least 2 problems in correctly interpreting the meaning of contracts that were not drawn-up in South America.

 

It really is difficult having a discussion with you guys. I find it very odd that you can assume an incredibly stupid mistake on the part of a large number of professionals, because of some stereotypical bullshit.

I don't sign a contract without reading it, I just cant imagine that any player or his agent is going to sign a multi-million pound contract, in this day and age, without a hoard of lawyers reading it over and understanding the implications.

To me it sounds so much more plausible that the dispute is over something that could be misinterpreted (i.e. If Arsenal are a CL club before they qualify for the group stages) than stupid little Johnny Foreigner not understanding English properly and misunderstanding that discussing in good faith did not mean releasing automatically.

 

STOP MAKING THINGS UP AND DEAL WITH FACTS

If you can't prove that Suarez's contract clause has a specific exemption for CL clubs THEN SHUT THE **** UP

Now I know of 4 major Courts of Arbitration that are commonly used to settle commercial contract disputes. I have attended and given evidence in 3 of them for employers/clients - all of whom have been major international organisations. It's not the nationality of the signatories, it's not even the language(s) in which the contract is established but the complexity of the document and the law upon which it is based. All of the parties were well served with legal opinion but these courts are always full.

It appears that Suarez and his agent now accept that Liverpool's interpretation of the contract is in fact valid. If that is the case then Ian Ayre's statement that Suarez is not for sale is the end of the matter - except that we all know that things might change. One thing is clear. liverpool have rejected Arsenal's offer of £40,000,001 so unless you are prepared to pay significantly more you are not going to get the player.

 

This and the fact Suarez AND his agent have pretty much accepted they were wrong, no doubt as advised by their own legal, puts it to bed

 

Excuse me, but who the **** gave you the right to come onto our board and tell ME to shut the **** up?

Given the general opinion on this board that you guys who deal with contracts are blithering idiots that cant understand English and just drool and cackle over the size of your pay checks, I would have assumed that you didn't want to admit that you were a ****ing screw up!

As you have no more information than I have, you have no more right to assume Suarez's team are lying and have screwed up than if I want to assume that Ian Ayre is a ****ing idiot, a liar and a screw up.

 

You did when you started trying to present daydreams as facts !

 

What daydreams? That a reasonably qualified contract lawyer is not going to make such a monumental mistake? Seriously, THAT is the daydream.

'll tell you what is a ****ing daydream. That Suarez is going to have any respect for you after you have conned him into a contract and deceived him. Then publically disrespected him and called him stupid for signing a contract that he mistakenly believed allowed him to leave under certain conditions.

Do you expect him to play hard for you under those conditions?

Believe me. When the season starts and Suarez plays like the pissed off player he is, you aren't going to be able to sell him for beans.

 

Anyone else feel that the Bale situation is crucial to all this? I think Suarez and his agent are waiting to see what happens with Madrid before deciding further action. If Bale heads to Madrid we may see more movement on this side. For now though, everything is pure speculation.

 

**** it, why don't we just pay the fifty million and get the player, he could be the difference between fourth and winning the league or champions league, so the extra ten mil would pay for itself. Also I've lost count of the number of ten millions we made in selling players that we've not reinvested in the squad.

I know the ****'s not really worth that sort of money, but looks like it's what it's going to cost us, so let's just get it done. I think Spending ten mil extra now is going to be less damaging that not spending the forty mil if we miss out.

 

Might have some bearing, because I don't think Arsenal are going to pay more than 40M-ish. Despite what the Liverpool faithful think, Arsenal's behavior seems to indicate that they thought that under certain conditions Suarez had a release clause. Real Madrid can splash big money around but they aren't going to pay an extra 10M just because. If Arsenal think that they can get Suarez for 40,000,001 then so will Real Madrid, and they will know that Suarez would probably pick them over Arsenal.

So, Real could be not bidding for Suarez, because they don't want him, or because they want to try and get Bale first.

So logically, it only has a bearing if they want Suarez as a back-up to Bale, I don't suppose we have any way of knowing that.