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robbieBB said:
Ah! The "lower league players are all monkeys" days. I was just reflecting recently on how well OUR monkeys served us, and how much we owe them. I was dismayed to find that the old 12 Yards forum is no longer on line so one can't savour once again some of carrabuh's most memorable dicta. <laugh> <ok>
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...but you've still not shown me that you understand him! Why he posts what he does!
 
carrabuh said:
Beef doesn't understand any concept. Just "I'm a Norwich fan, grrrrr, arrgh, hate every other team, grrr"
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You are correct of course. I'm still havin the most trouble with the concepts of "I don't rate African players" " Gary hooper is a target man" and the vendetta you have against Robert snodgrass, one of our most outstanding players.
 
canary-dave said:
Don't you dare stop posting on here! OK you don't agree with everyone, neither do I, but I'll be damned if I'll turn into a Maggie Thatcher and ignore or ridicule those that disagree! If anyone can post their reasons for holding an alternative view, I want to see it, it may even change my mind!
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Missed this earlier. Change your mind? <laugh> About as likely as sharing your malt! <smooch> <ok>
 
Beefforhire-NCFC said:
You are correct of course. I'm still havin the most trouble with the concepts of "I don't rate African players" " Gary hooper is a target man" and the vendetta you have against Robert snodgrass, one of our most outstanding players.
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Well, the quote was that I don't generally rate African players, so you are again incorrect. I don't generally like African players because they are very much face forward and run and little else. If you watch the African Nations they all do it (apart from the Nothern sides). Run forward give the ball away, run back, get the ball, run forward etc etc.

Gary Hooper was burly (which I would still describe him as given the pictures I've seen of him, he looks very barrel chested to me) and the theory was Hughton would use him as a target man (which we still don't know yet). I'll wait and see how the ball is given to him this season first before I say I'm wrong. It's all down to the crosses.

I have never stated anything to say I have a vendetta against Snodgrass, I just said if we had a big bid for him I'd probably accept it and that given how Hughton may be setting the team up for speed he may find himself on the bench at Christmas.

And I'll reiterate before what I said about not lower league players but League One players, I can't remember if the term was chimps or monkeys. I'd still advocate that idea that it is not the correct place to be looking for players, you don't see too many on here requesting we look down there now. NOOOOOO, all to busy lusting after the Europeans which I advocated at the time. Lets look at the players I moaned about Elliott Bennett,IMO peripheral and barely contributes (despite the rave reviews of what he COULD do with the ball). Morison (he was not one of the L1) already kicked out for frankly not being able to do anything. Pilkington, I would have to admit he's good enough for us, good goalscorer, a bit headless and cannot pass however.

Those were the three I stuck my neck out and said would not contribute and I'd say I was half right. Everyone else seem to think they were all great at the time so they were half right as well. Only difference is, they say that about everyone we sign.
 
True that exciting new signings are often viewed as the answer to everything.
For example, the current adulation surrouding RvW.
Now don't get me wrong - I'm very happy we've taken a punt on him. And if nothing else us getting him early made a very strong statement of intent that has probably helped with other signings this summer.
But hailing him as a legend before he's kicked a ball in the EPL is way over the top. I wait to be convinced because I've got a nagging doubt that he might be too green at this stage of his career. If he doesn't get off to a flyer then its a big test to his temperament.

I truly wish to be proved very wrong.
 
CanaryWorf said:
True that exciting new signings are often viewed as the answer to everything.
For example, the current adulation surrouding RvW.
Now don't get me wrong - I'm very happy we've taken a punt on him. And if nothing else us getting him early made a very strong statement of intent that has probably helped with other signings this summer.
But hailing him as a legend before he's kicked a ball in the EPL is way over the top. I wait to be convinced because I've got a nagging doubt that he might be too green at this stage of his career. If he doesn't get off to a flyer then its a big test to his temperament.

I truly wish to be proved very wrong.
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This is exactly why I think it would be worth bringing in Quagmire because that would take pressure of RvW to immediately perform. I have precisely the same concerns. If Fer gets injured, I can see pressure getting ramped up by the (mercifully small, but unfortunately vocal) unrealistically expectant elements in our fan base.

Carrabuh, your account of the Hooper debate is entirely disingenuous. The only person you're kidding is yourself. You often make interesting and left-field comments, but to not just suck it up and accept you made a mistake in one small instance that no-one really cares about undermines your credibility.

Everyone lacks knowledge and makes mistakes.
 
Carrabuh is also being entirely disingenuous with his defence of his comments about L1 "monkeys". He made those comments in the summer after we won L1 and were preparing for our season in the Championship. He was going on and on about how we needed to buy proven Championship-quality players, the "monkeys" remark being his way of characterising the gap he said existed between the Championship and lower leagues. So the question is not about how well those players are doing for us now, and how many L1 players we are now looking to sign, but how well they served us in the Championship and our first season in the PL.

As for his claiming to be "half-right". If you deal constantly in half-truths, I guess you can expect to be half-right roughly half the time. <ok>
 
Also what he doesn't understand is that two years ago we still had significant debts, were treading nervously into the tip flight for the first time in years and simply could not afford players of the quality we are signing now. If we had scoured the overseas market we would have been looking for bargain bucket players with little or no reputation, to compare our transfer policy this summer with Lambert's first season in the big time is quite frankly ridiculous and naive in the extreme <ok>
 
End of the day I want the right players I could care less what league they are in or what country they are in.

I like leroy fers ability to regain and retain possession, not the fact he's from holland and that's more impressive than league one. I there was a player that could do what he does in the championship I'd be well up for it.

From what I've seen I really like Redmond, he's got a trick and a turn of pace we haven't seen at Norwich before and I think he'll be a valuable player. Where did he come from again?
 
I absolutely loved carrabuh's comment about Leroy Fer. After he signed, someone posted a link to a Leroy Fer video which carrabuh duly watched. He then posted along the lines of "just another direct, straight ahead, Hughton-style player, just with added speed" (I guess like the pair of "tall, rangy wingers" we are still apparently expected to sign so that Snoddy can be put on the bench). Carrabuh reported that he scarcely saw Leroy make one lateral pass, indeed I think he'd carefully counted and had actually seen only one such pass.

Now, can anyone think of a reason why someone would post a video highlighting Leroy Fer making lateral passes? About the only person I can imagine doing it actually is Chris Hughton in one of his excellent coaching videos. It is conceivable that in reality it will turn out that Leroy Fer seldom makes lateral passes. He receives the ball, puts his head down and charges forward towards the opposition goal. Alternatively, since his passing is said to be good, he may simply spray long diagonal passes to our new lanky wingers, or pump the ball up the centre to the "barrel-chested" Hooper. We shall see in due course how he plays. I am simply commenting on just another example of how carrabuh "sees" things in accordance with his pre-conceived ideas without asking himself what he would actually expect to see in a video compilation of the kind he watched. <ok>
 
With all due respect, I think this is enough <ok>. I know I've joined in so I'd like to be the first to step back.

Carrabuh has his opinions and I respect that. We all have differing opinions and views that we find difficult to change.
 
robbieBB said:
Carrabuh is also being entirely disingenuous with his defence of his comments about L1 "monkeys". He made those comments in the summer after we won L1 and were preparing for our season in the Championship. He was going on and on about how we needed to buy proven Championship-quality players, the "monkeys" remark being his way of characterising the gap he said existed between the Championship and lower leagues. So the question is not about how well those players are doing for us now, and how many L1 players we are now looking to sign, but how well they served us in the Championship and our first season in the PL.

As for his claiming to be "half-right". If you deal constantly in half-truths, I guess you can expect to be half-right roughly half the time. <ok>
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I think you are the dishonest one Robbie, we bought the League One (Pilkington and Bennett) players when we were in the premiership. You are confused.

Make sure you argument is correct before throwing out aspertions.

It would seem you can't even manage half truths
 
Beefforhire-NCFC said:
End of the day I want the right players I could care less what league they are in or what country they are in.

I like leroy fers ability to regain and retain possession, not the fact he's from holland and that's more impressive than league one. I there was a player that could do what he does in the championship I'd be well up for it.

From what I've seen I really like Redmond, he's got a trick and a turn of pace we haven't seen at Norwich before and I think he'll be a valuable player. Where did he come from again?
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