Evolution

[Beefforhire-NCFC]

ive got a good soft spot for him too, seems well humoured.

this always makes me chuckle

[video=youtube;0OQT1psCoAc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OQT1psCoAc[/video]

Haha I've never seen this before! That's a hell of a redknapp twitch he's got there

 

[carrabuh]

as i say, the same argument may have taken place on another forum or in a different year, but certainly when i was involved it was during the pre-season of our first premier league campaign. in reality it doesn't matter when it was, his remarks were disrespectful and extremely naive. i remember saying when we were in league one that the top 7 or 8 teams were all of a far higher standard than usual and that they were all capable of finishing near the top of the championship. that remark was laughed out of town by championship fans at the time but the following season all three promoted sides challenged for promotion and finished in the top 8 whilst the year after two of the three reached the top 7. league one is as strong as it has ever been in terms of quality because the numerous imports at the top of the game mean a number of players who would normally play at a higher level have had to find a club lower down. of course the standard overall is not brilliant - its the third tier, but what grated me enormously was his assumption that there was no talent in that league, 'full of monkey's' apparently. well lets have a look at this lot:

carl jenkinson, alex oxlade-chamberlain, matt lowton, ashley westwood, nick powell, russell martin, bradley johnson, robert snodgrass, elliott bennett, anthony pilkington, wes hoolahan, grant holt, adam lallana, rickie lambert, billy jones, gareth mcauley

just off the top of my head, running through the premier league, i can think of these players who have all had decent seasons at premier league level but were plucked from league one (or have been promoted from there) in very recent seasons. yes there's some dross in league one - there is in the premier league too - but it was always the term 'monkeys' which i found utterly pathetic.

edit. ignore mcauley. don't think he played in league one as the binners bought him.

The debate was a place to look for Premiership players.

Yes lets take a closer look at this lot.

The majority you mention had already excelled at a HIGHER level before playing Premiership and so had PROVED themselves at a higher level, Hoolahan, Snodgrass, Johnson, Martin, Holt, Lambert.

The prime argument at the time as they were playing against MONKEYS week in and week out and so I questioned the gamble in quality and ability to assess them as being good enough.

Chamberlain was 17 and so does not count.

Lowton had also played abroad

Nick Powell also very young

Ahley Westwood is a goalkeeper

Karl Jenkinson also very young


None of the players mentioned had played for a few years at that level, they were products of youth football, not League One football.

 

[irdan]

Don't think it was just the player that rated himself. Keane would have got in any team in the world IMO.

Of course he was a top rate player but no player is bigger than the team! Big Mick was absolutely right in his handling of the situation!

He did handle the situation right you are correct however I disagree..Keane was bigger than Ireland lol

 

[Guru of Ipswich]

Hate to tell you this carrabuh, but they mean ashley westwood the aston villa midfielder!

 

[carrabuh]

My error, two pages open at the same time.

So that's two, Pilkington AND Westwood.

Out of how many playing at the top?

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

you're not very good at this are you carrabuh! read my post again. i clearly stated that those players had played in league one in recent seasons.

not one of those players is wrong. the only one who was wrong was mcauley who is amended on my original post. you claim league one is full of monkeys - there's a whole host of players who have played in league one in the last three or so years yet have all gone on to become either regular premier league players or are on the fringe of top clubs and representing england at international levels.

you can't suddenly change the goal posts because it doesn't suit your argument!

 

[Tony_Munky_Canary]

Don't think it was just the player that rated himself. Keane would have got in any team in the world IMO.

Oh don't get me wrong, he was a fabulous footballer who as you say could have graced any team in any league, I refer more to the fact he rated himself as an individual higher than the manager, and that can never be right regardless of who you are

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

roy keane.

great player, horrible human being.

 

[Guru of Ipswich]

I would stick my neck out to say there is more that has been successful coming from the 3rd tier than from scotland to the premership.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

I would stick my neck out to say there is more that has been successful coming from the 3rd tier than from scotland to the premership.

in the last ten years i think that's probably true guru.

 

[carrabuh]

you're not very good at this are you carrabuh! read my post again. i clearly stated that those players had played in league one in recent seasons.

not one of those players is wrong. the only one who was wrong was mcauley who is amended on my original post. you claim league one is full of monkeys - there's a whole host of players who have played in league one in the last three or so years yet have all gone on to become either regular premier league players or are on the fringe of top clubs and representing england at international levels.

you can't suddenly change the goal posts because it doesn't suit your argument!

And if you read my post, they are products of Youth football, not League One football. Which they were.

I'm not changing the goalposts Pyjamas, if your 16/17 and standing out then you can envisage a development against better opposition.

Not quite so much when your 22/3/4.

I don't suppose there are many purchased who had only played League One and were bought to go directly in the first team. Yet there are plenty purchased from abroad or Championship who are.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

having said that, there's been a number of successes filter into the championship from scotland. the scottish league isn't great but if you take celtic out of it you'd end up with a mini championship.

i probably won't include ryan stevenson as being a success

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

And if you read my post, they are products of Youth football, not League One football. Which they were.

I'm not changing the goalposts Pyjamas, if your 16/17 and standing out then you can envisage a development against better opposition.

Not quite so much when your 22/3/4.

I don't suppose there are many purchased who had only played League One and were bought to go directly in the first team. Yet there are plenty purchased from abroad or Championship who are.

you're just talking absolute drivel again. you've not just moved the goal posts, you've completely reshaped them now! this is a pointless debate because you don't know what you're talking about with regards this level of football. i think in all honesty its time i put you on the 'ignore list' because you very rarely say anything of interest to me anymore. shame.

 

[carrabuh]

How is it drivel when it is plainly true.

You know as well as I do the arguments were not only about the quality of purchase down there but also the ability to asess.

You then reel off 10 players of which none have any relevance to the argument because they's played at a higher level before playing in the top Division.

The rest are youth products.

You are the one talking drivel, name some genuine League One players who were actually genuine League One players before signing for first team action.

Not ****ing youth players or proven Championship ones.

 

[Canary Rob]

The Gareth Bale Debate
A Theatrical Play

The events and characters in this play are entirely fictional, any similarities with real life events and/or characters are coincidental.


____________________________________________
DRAMATIS PERSONAE

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas: a free talking football supporter with an unfortunate habit of "ITK-dropping"*, but otherwise well-meaning, lively and positive.

*similar to name-dropping, but involves not actually revealing the knowledge

Carrabuff: an outspoken advocate of tiki-taka with an unfortunate habit of refusing to read other people's postings, but otherwise brings interesting and alternative points of view which rarely fail to provoke [debate]

Canary Dan: a cheerful football fan and forum administrator with an unfortunate habit of getting involved in debates at precisely the wrong moment, but otherwise a loveable and grandfather figure with a faint aroma of peat.
______________________________________________


ACT ONE SCENE ONE

The Norvic City Open Forum


Canary Dan:
So, first debate, what do people think of Gareth Bale?

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
I think he's a brilliant player. However, a bid of £80m really shouldn't be sniffed at. Incidentally, I know something interesting about him, but I can't tell you about it.

Carrabuff:
He's crap.

Canary Dan:
I'm sorry, what?

Carrabuff:
I think he's crap. Utter crap.

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
Carrabuff, you must be high. He's averaging nearly a goal a match for HotSpurtz, he's rated in the top five players in the world.

Carrabuff:
But he's crap.

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
What do you mean crap? He's young, yet capable of winning matches single-handedly. There's a reason why such a massive club as Royal Matrix have put in this bid. You can't possibly have seen him play. How on earth can you justify the statement that he's crap?

Carrabuff:
I honestly have seen him play. He's crap.

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
Have you any idea what crap means? It's basically the polar opposite of Bale:
"Noun vulgar. Something that is of extremely poor quality."
Incidentally, I know something interesting about the guy who wrote the dictionary, but I can't tell you about it.

Carrabuff:
Yawn. Your post is too long to read. I find you using definitions incredibly tedious and I can't be bothered with it. I'm not constrained by using words in the way that every other English speaking person in the entire world uses them.

Canary Dan:
Lets keep it calm chaps. I'm tending towards Anchorman's position, but obviously I'm entirely impartial. No arguing while I get myself a drink of whi... Tea. A drink of tea.

Carrabuff and AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
Feck of Dan

Canary Dan:
Will do!

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
Look Carrabuff, check out this video - www.footytube.eng/balezawsummoves
You'll see you're wrong. He's clearly not crap, virtually every part of his game is brilliant. For example, his movement is exceptional.

Carrabuff:
I'm not wrong. I didn't say his movement wasn't exceptional. I've maintained all along that he's a very good player.

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
You said he was crap?!

Carrabuff:
He is. Creative Rapid Athletic and Powerful. CRAP. Crap. My definition.

 

[canary-dave]

You're banned!

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

how do i give rep cos that post deserves it BIG TIME!

brilliant rob although i'm pretty sure this conversation has genuinely taken place at some time...

 

[Caister Canary]

 

[carrabuh]

The Gareth Bale Debate
A Theatrical Play

The events and characters in this play are entirely fictional, any similarities with real life events and/or characters are coincidental.


____________________________________________
DRAMATIS PERSONAE

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas: a free talking football supporter with an unfortunate habit of "ITK-dropping"*, but otherwise well-meaning, lively and positive.

*similar to name-dropping, but involves not actually revealing the knowledge

Carrabuff: an outspoken advocate of tiki-taka with an unfortunate habit of refusing to read other people's postings, but otherwise brings interesting and alternative points of view which rarely fail to provoke [debate]

Canary Dan: a cheerful football fan and forum administrator with an unfortunate habit of getting involved in debates at precisely the wrong moment, but otherwise a loveable and grandfather figure with a faint aroma of peat.
______________________________________________


ACT ONE SCENE ONE

The Norvic City Open Forum


Canary Dan:
So, first debate, what do people think of Gareth Bale?

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
I think he's a brilliant player. However, a bid of £80m really shouldn't be sniffed at. Incidentally, I know something interesting about him, but I can't tell you about it.

Carrabuff:
He's crap.

Canary Dan:
I'm sorry, what?

Carrabuff:
I think he's crap. Utter crap.

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
Carrabuff, you must be high. He's averaging nearly a goal a match for HotSpurtz, he's rated in the top five players in the world.

Carrabuff:
But he's crap.

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
What do you mean crap? He's young, yet capable of winning matches single-handedly. There's a reason why such a massive club as Royal Matrix have put in this bid. You can't possibly have seen him play. How on earth can you justify the statement that he's crap?

Carrabuff:
I honestly have seen him play. He's crap.

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
Have you any idea what crap means? It's basically the polar opposite of Bale:
"Noun vulgar. Something that is of extremely poor quality."
Incidentally, I know something interesting about the guy who wrote the dictionary, but I can't tell you about it.

Carrabuff:
Yawn. Your post is too long to read. I find you using definitions incredibly tedious and I can't be bothered with it. I'm not constrained by using words in the way that every other English speaking person in the entire world uses them.

Canary Dan:
Lets keep it calm chaps. I'm tending towards Anchorman's position, but obviously I'm entirely impartial. No arguing while I get myself a drink of whi... Tea. A drink of tea.

Carrabuff and AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
Feck of Dan

Canary Dan:
Will do!

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
Look Carrabuff, check out this video - www.footytube.eng/balezawsummoves
You'll see you're wrong. He's clearly not crap, virtually every part of his game is brilliant. For example, his movement is exceptional.

Carrabuff:
I'm not wrong. I didn't say his movement wasn't exceptional. I've maintained all along that he's a very good player.

AnchormanWearsGrantHoltPyjamas:
You said he was crap?!

Carrabuff:
He is. Creative Rapid Athletic and Powerful. CRAP. Crap. My definition.

Thats pretty funny

 

[JKCanary]

Sterling work Rob. I would rep but it turns out I've already given you some recently!