Beefy's Corner - The Off-Topic Chat Thread

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Gay Bacon Strips said:
In fairness, Kimi Raikkonen only had 23 Formula Renault UK races to his name when he went to F1 in 2001. He didn't turn out too bad <laugh>
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Yep, and there's always exceptions to every rule - many people doubted Kimi's ability to step up at the time, and a number even called for him not to be granted a superlicense (he had won 7 out of 10 FRenault races that season as well). Steve Robertson, Kimi's manager, is nobodies fool either, and wouldn't have allowed this promotion unless he'd been very sure (though again, it was with Sauber).

This guy's promotion seems to be more to do with £ than talent on the face of it though, and 22 (Kimi) is very, very different to 17/18.
 
Le Tissier's Laces said:
Yep, and there's always exceptions to every rule - many people doubted Kimi's ability to step up at the time, and a number even called for him not to be granted a superlicense (he had won 7 out of 10 FRenault races that season as well). Steve Robertson, Kimi's manager, is nobodies fool either, and wouldn't have allowed this promotion unless he'd been very sure (though again, it was with Sauber).

This guy's promotion seems to be more to do with £ than talent on the face of it though, and 22 (Kimi) is very, very different to 17/18.
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Put Kimi in a fast car & he is fast , he is very poor at setting a car up , sadly so is JB , IMHO .

Nothing to do with the previous conversation I know .
 
Gay Bacon Strips said:
In fairness, Kimi Raikkonen only had 23 Formula Renault UK races to his name when he went to F1 in 2001. He didn't turn out too bad
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Never rated him incredibly highly, despite being a World champion. When the rules dictated that traction controls had to be backed off, several years ago, his form dipped alarmingly. I can't speak in detail for F1 anymore, but in MotoGP, someone asked Valentino Rossi once about traction control and the new stars who were riding with it. He said that the best traction control was in his right hand, i.e. the throttle. Of course he uses traction control, but he would prefer it if it was just him connected to the back wheel. Personally, I'd like to see zero traction control too. That would separate the brilliant from the excellent. It would probably make F1 more exciting too. And by goodness does that sport need a shot in the arm.
 
Number 1 Jasper said:
Put Kimi in a fast car & he is fast , he is very poor at setting a car up , sadly so is JB , IMHO .

Nothing to do with the previous conversation I know .
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Not sure I agree entirely. Kimi is mighty fast when he's comfortable with the car, yes, but his ability to set cars up is rather better than his reputation for doing so. Look at his current run of consistency - you can't achieve that without competence in that area. Where he (and to a greater extent JB) fall down is their problems in trying to drive 'around' a car when it has fundamental design flaws. Alonso is a master of that, and much the best of the field when it comes down to that kind of ability. Kimi's failings in that area are more to do with his motivation when given a dog of a car. JB's more to do with adaptability and outright skill.
 
TheSecondStain said:
Never rated him incredibly highly, despite being a World champion. When the rules dictated that traction controls had to be backed off, several years ago, his form dipped alarmingly. I can't speak in detail for F1 anymore, but in MotoGP, someone asked Valentino Rossi once about traction control and the new stars who were riding with it. He said that the best traction control was in his right hand, i.e. the throttle. Of course he uses traction control, but he would prefer it if it was just him connected to the back wheel. Personally, I'd like to see zero traction control too. That would separate the brilliant from the excellent. It would probably make F1 more exciting too. And by goodness does that sport need a shot in the arm.
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Ah I don't know TSS - the 'excitement' factor in F1 is a lot higher now than during the Schumacher dominated era - granted some of it artificially generated, but it's still a good spectator sport currently. The sport that did need a shot in the arm over the past couple of seasons was your own MotoGP - thankfully it seems to have recovered it's form this season......
 
I forgot Kimi was 21/22 when he entered F1...ah well. I think he's an amazing driver, but only in the right environment. If he's in a good car, with a good team, and he's left to do his own thing, as Lotus seem to be doing, that's when he excels. He's definitely not one for the cameras or the sponsors, but the man can drive. That you cannot doubt.
 
Gay Bacon Strips said:
I forgot Kimi was 21/22 when he entered F1...ah well. I think he's an amazing driver, but only in the right environment. If he's in a good car, with a good team, and he's left to do his own thing, as Lotus seem to be doing, that's when he excels. He's definitely not one for the cameras or the sponsors, but the man can drive. That you cannot doubt.
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Not doubting his driving ability one bit , just think he is not very good at setting up a car .
 
Incase anyone wanted something to do on this rainy day, the full 1976 final has been uploaded to youtube recently(ish).
[video=youtube;-vv9-Dxqoys]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vv9-Dxqoys[/video]
 
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