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MalteseMick said:
I didn't say you were on benefits, I'm saying that life is relatively not so hard. You make out as if I've had it easier in life through privilege or random luck and that it is not fair - I started with **** all and had to work (in some real **** jobs at times) for everything I've accumulated, my current situation is perfectly fair.
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You're wrong fanny features.

The only person who makes it out like that is you.

My problem with you on the benefits subject is that you don't know what you're ****ing talking about, you readily admit you've rarely visited a jobcentre and certainly not in the past 5 years. Just because you read the news it doesn't mean you have the insight into claiming benefits and why everyone is robbing you of your hard earned tax contributions.

You seem to think everyone on the dole wants to be there. That's your ****ing problem.
 
pud said:
So, folk claiming benefits never go on holiday ...

You go to some tourist trap in Spain ...good few doleys/dole familys!

Anyway, a holiday's a holiday - regadless of where you go and it's a luxury. Staying in a caravan park in Morecambe for a week mayeb ****e, but it still costs!
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Those people aren't just 'on the dole' though, they'll be working cash in hand/selling drugs/etc...

If you look at how much you get it's impossible to do anything fun with it, one night in the pub would **** your finances up for the week.

Take food and bills out of the £70 you get and you're not left with much...
 
Toby said:
Bullshit
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It may not be a typical situation, but I know quite well someone with (genuine, quite bad) diabetes who is claiming full incapacity benefit (over £1,100 a month) and who is also working a full time job labouring. He owns a BMW Jeep which he bought last year and goes on several holidays a year.

As I said it may not be typical of everyone everywhere, but in the estate I grew up in it was rampant. I don't even blame the person for doing it, humans are inclined to take what they can get and few have the moral fortitude to turn down free money (especially if there is a local culture of everyone doing it).
 
Dan Starkey said:
ST - here's the briefing Minister - it sets out who we should give housing and disability allowance to and who we shouldn't.

Minister - Given you're wearing a Celtic onesy today I can get why you've written "let all huns rot" but why on earth do you recommend banning anyone from Bristol receiving allowances?

ST - so you've not met Gas then Minister?
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<laugh>

Minister - "....and ST what is this part about a Pallet Tax to be introduced in Northern Ireland ? "
 
Toby said:
Those people aren't just 'on the dole' though, they'll be working cash in hand/selling drugs/etc...

If you look at how much you get it's impossible to do anything fun with it, one night in the pub would **** your finances up for the week.

Take food and bills out of the £70 you get and you're not left with much...
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Unless you shop at Aldi!
 
MD 20/20 said:
You're wrong fanny features.

The only person who makes it out like that is you.

My problem with you on the benefits subject is that you don't know what you're ****ing talking about, you readily admit you've rarely visited a jobcentre and certainly not in the past 5 years. Just because you read the news it doesn't mean you have the insight into claiming benefits and why everyone is robbing you of your hard earned tax contributions.

You seem to think everyone on the dole wants to be there. That's you're ****ing problem.
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See my last post, I do know what I am talking about. I grew up in a (free) council house and went to a primary school where almost everyone had parents on benefits.
 
MalteseMick said:
It may not be a typical situation, but I know quite well someone with (genuine, quite bad) diabetes who is claiming full incapacity benefit (over £1,100 a month) and who is also working a full time job labouring. He owns a BMW Jeep which he bought last year and goes on several holidays a year.

As I said it may not be typical of everyone everywhere, but in the estate I grew up in it was rampant. I don't even blame the person for doing it, humans are inclined to take what they can get and few have the moral fortitude to turn down free money (especially if there is a local culture of everyone doing it).
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So there are a few random cases that go wrong, but no one should get help because some pikeys cheat the system?

You sound a bit like David Cameron before the election.
 
MalteseMick said:
See my last post, I do know what I am talking about. I grew up in a (free) council house and went to a primary school where almost everyone had parents on benefits.
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So you knew people on benefits mick, big ****ing deal.

Tell me mick, whats the standard sign on procedure these days?
 
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There's at least a £28bn per annum discrepancy between benefit fraud and tax avoidance Mick.

Benefit fraud costs about £2bn and tax avoidance costs the UK £30bn.

Maybe if every **** who was supposed to paid their full tax the benefit system wouldn't be overextended. <ok>
 
Or tell the dole to send a taxi up to get ye as yer gonny be late!

While there at it, get the taxi to take them to the housing office afterwards as well.
 
VenomPD said:
There's at least a £28bn per annum discrepancy between benefit fraud and tax avoidance Mick.

Benefit fraud costs about £2bn and tax avoidance costs the UK £30bn.

Maybe if every **** who was supposed to paid their full tax the benefit system wouldn't be overextended.
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Both are major concerns ...
 
Toby said:
So there are a few random cases that go wrong, but no one should get help because some pikeys cheat the system?

You sound a bit like David Cameron before the election.
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There does seem to be a nasty little habbit in the media and among some politicians of picking up on the worst examples of behaviour and passing them off as the norm (not a dig at Mick or anyone else posting on this thread btw). 1 Bulgarian is guilty of rape so we should not let any of them in. 1 woman was asking for a big house for her 13 kids so now it turns out that everyone on benefits is too busy flying to Ibiza, choosing soft furnishinings for their palatial publicly funded abodes, buying new cars or watching the latest films on their 50 inch tvs to apply for jobs. It actually makes me really angry!
 
Toby said:
So because you managed this, by leaving the country, people here should get no benefits? :huh:

You did all your stuff before the recession, as you didn't go to Uni, should young people travel back in time so they can actually get a decent job/mortgage?

I honestly don't understand how people can be that selfish, how does it affect you that people are on benefits? It's peanuts on the grand scale of things.
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I was arguing that the money could be better spent on things that make difference to peoples lives - such as health and education, rather than PS3s and Sky TV.

Also I got made redundant in Malta in 2009 and applied for a job labouring in Belfast before going to Guernsey - and actually ended up getting offered positions in Camden Town, Brighton and Sydney - there is work about if you are willing to move. There is also a reason why 100,000 Polish people have moved from Ireland to Britain since 2008 (despite Irish benefits being more generous than British benefits) - there is more work there.
 
Dan Starkey said:
There does seem to be a nasty little habbit in the media and among some politicians of picking up on the worst examples of behaviour and passing them off as the norm (not a dig at Mick or anyone else posting on this thread btw). 1 Bulgarian is guilty of rape so we should not let any of them in. 1 woman was asking for a big house for her 13 kids so now it turns out that everyone on benefits is too busy flying to Ibiza, choosing soft furnishinings for their palatial publicly funded abodes, buying new cars or watching the latest films on their 50 inch tvs to apply for jobs. It actually makes me really angry!
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**** mick.

His opinion is formed from reading the comments section on the daily mail.
 
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