Suarez News (#ONTOPIC)

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When will Suarez leave?

  • Pre-contract, gone 1st day

  • Gone in July

  • Gone in August

  • Gone on transfer deadline day

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Gerrez said:
I'd usually say he won't care since he'll have a shed load of cash but I think Suarez is the type that just loves playing football.
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I agree- I think it's more success and trophies he craves rather than hard cash.
It's a pity we need the dosh. It would be great if we could strengthen enough without selling him then if Real did their bit of brinkmanship we could refuse to let him go for anything less than absurd money; then if the deal fell through we could keep him as sub. Sitting on the bench would kill him, I'm sure.
 
If utd can hold conaldo until the money was right we can hold suarez one more year but the fact is 3 years on a contract means he will go for the most money this summer i think.... i think he'd play firsts for us no question...... for real i am convinced that he would be a sub or out wide at best.

just tell me the real front 3.... ronaldo is in there, benzema could be and then the best suarez can hope for is wide left....
 
Personally, I'd let him leave if an offer of 50m+ came in.

He's worth so much more than Torres was, even at his peak. Bale is allegedly being thrown about with offers and rumours of 70,80m. I'd say that Suarez should at least match that.

I think he's honestly a very selfish human being and that should be talked about officially by the club should he leave. BR should straight up say that they sold an ungrateful player who we supported and relied upon to help us. He wants CL football? Fine, go have it. I think it would speak volumes of a player if they fought and earned it, instead of just joining an already-established side without having to do anything to get there. But maybe that doesn't concern him.

As for the failed promises, had he not done it to himself he would have had any broken promises. I supported him through Evragate, through the bite incident, and everything else. But this is ridiculous. This is a club that rescued you from an 8 match ban in the Eredivisie for ****ING BITING A PLAYER. This is a club that stood by you when you missed twenty sitters a match under Kenny, when you tried to wind up Evra with something that would be best left unsaid. This is a club that has ambitions and is trying to better itself. If you can't repay that with another year (one year after signing a massive extension) then **** off.

Go to Real, play for a season, get relegated to the bench because of your eventual replacement (probably some other, younger star that left their club in a glory-hunting manner) and then try to revitalise your career at some Turkish club or somewhere where you'll eventually be forgotten.

Even Torres, who we loved so much has almost been forgotten. It's a sad state of affairs when a player wants their name etched on one trophy in their career to be remembered by all, but doesn't care if he is loved by none. We'll see how the Madrid fans sing your name once you've been sat down and told to move on. Once you choose the shot instead of the pass. Once you get banned for 8 matches (twice). A little gratefulness would go a long way for someone like that.
 
Now is the time for the executives of LFC to clearly demonstrate that they are highly professional to both Saurez, his Agent and any club that may wish to enquire about his availability.

LFC have to make clear to Suarez and his agent that whilst they believe that he has a future at Anfield, he is under long term contract to the club and that any decision regarding a possible move to another club will firstly be considered in terms of the best interests of LFC and that only AFTER those interests have been satisfied will Suarez's interests be considered by the club. It may also be useful at this stage to tell Suarez's Agent that any formal transfer request will be rejected (a la Rooney). Both individuals have to be made aware that the true power in this relationship lies with LFC.
 
you are right... though torres in 20 year will be balding and talking about his chelsea medals like he won them himself... on the other hand ronaldo's single league medal and copa medal don't look very hot for 80mil.... suarez might win stuff but with messi and neymar down in barca i fancy suarez will not be doing much bar playing games rather than picking up gongs.

He could well end up moving on again as you say.... realistically 50mil is too high. real vlue at 35mil we will do well to get to the 40mil
 
Red_Pheonix said:
Now is the time for the executives of LFC to clearly demonstrate that they are highly professional to both Saurez, his Agent and any club that may wish to inquire about his availability.

LFC have to make clear to Suarez and his agent that whilst they believe that he has a future at Anfield, he is under long term contract to the club and that any decision regarding a possible move to another club will firstly be considered in terms of the best interests of LFC and that only AFTER those interests have been satisfied will Suarez's interests be considered by the club. It may also be useful at this stage to tell Suarez's Agent that any formal transfer request will be rejected (a la Rooney). Both individuals have to be made aware that the true power in this relationship lies with LFC.
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actually the "rumours" are he must make said request. i think 95% of them are completely made up based on torres but we have to remember how carroll swanned off with a loyalty bonus after cowardly running out on us to west ham. contractual loyalty bonuses are not inconsiderable.
 
Forget rumours - in contractual terms they're just part of the smoke and mirrors. Both Henry and Ayre know the golden rules regarding negotiating and the first rule in particular - IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO NEGOTIATE - DON'T! Negotiation is all about power and in the present circumstances Suarez has very little power.

Remember Ayre's background is financial. I strongly doubt that a loyalty bonuses payable were not taken into account.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
you are right... though torres in 20 year will be balding and talking about his chelsea medals like he won them himself... on the other hand ronaldo's single league medal and copa medal don't look very hot for 80mil.... suarez might win stuff but with messi and neymar down in barca i fancy suarez will not be doing much bar playing games rather than picking up gongs.

He could well end up moving on again as you say.... realistically 50mil is too high. real vlue at 35mil we will do well to get to the 40mil
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Really? You really don't rate the guy do you? I'd wager he's top 5 in the world at the moment. Leeds got that much for Rio 10 years ago. Chelsea paid similar for Shevchenko. We got 35 easily for Alonso. We got 50m for Torres. I'd wager that on present form, a player who scored nearly 30 goals last season should certainly command those transfer fees. For 40m I'd say **** it and keep him. It's not worth it. At the time of Ronaldo's transfer, he wasn't worth 80m either, yet that was what he was worth to Madrid.

40m is essentially one decent transfer window worth of funds (in which you can't really replace a player of Suarez's calibre). Take into account a) agent's fee's, b) lost revenues in terms of shirt sales (massive), c) a sign of weakness/hesitance on improving the squad. All those for a measly 40m? Not for Suarez, who dribbled past half the United team to set up Kuyt. Not for a player who can score from halfway against Norwich. Make no mistake, he is a fantastic player. An unhappy Suarez is still worth more than 40m. He is our sign of relevancy, an idol amongst the Joe Allen's to the millions of youth around the world. A symbol to fellow talents around Europe that Liverpool, despite a rough few years, is still able to attract one of the best players in the world.

Even keeping him on the bench has this effect. Selling him has the effect of telling everyone that we are ****-scared of success and not going to go past "decent, but not world-class".

Though, past 50m and all this changes. If we replace him with a brilliant replacement a la Torres, then fine. It will be uncertain how we will fare. But if anything less, then don't bother.
 
danilo. said:
Really? You really don't rate the guy do you? I'd wager he's top 5 in the world at the moment. Leeds got that much for Rio 10 years ago. Chelsea paid similar for Shevchenko. We got 35 easily for Alonso. We got 50m for Torres. I'd wager that on present form, a player who scored nearly 30 goals last season should certainly command those transfer fees. For 40m I'd say **** it and keep him. It's not worth it. At the time of Ronaldo's transfer, he wasn't worth 80m either, yet that was what he was worth to Madrid.

40m is essentially one decent transfer window worth of funds (in which you can't really replace a player of Suarez's calibre). Take into account a) agent's fee's, b) lost revenues in terms of shirt sales (massive), c) a sign of weakness/hesitance on improving the squad. All those for a measly 40m? Not for Suarez, who dribbled past half the United team to set up Kuyt. Not for a player who can score from halfway against Norwich. Make no mistake, he is a fantastic player. An unhappy Suarez is still worth more than 40m. He is our sign of relevancy, an idol amongst the Joe Allen's to the millions of youth around the world. A symbol to fellow talents around Europe that Liverpool, despite a rough few years, is still able to attract one of the best players in the world.

Even keeping him on the bench has this effect. Selling him has the effect of telling everyone that we are ****-scared of success and not going to go past "decent, but not world-class".

Though, past 50m and all this changes. If we replace him with a brilliant replacement a la Torres, then fine. It will be uncertain how we will fare. But if anything less, then don't bother.
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which , torres, suarez or ronaldo?

Suarez is worth 35-40mil... he's bitten two guys and racially abused another...... he scored 30 goals but missed huge sections due to suspension. thats whats driving the price. Ronaldo wnet for 80mil on a business deal between two huge club that utd promised ronaldo he could have a year previously and the negotiated over time. he also never said he wanted to go and real stated they had a clear plan to recoup every penny in extra revenue.

With suarez, he's said he wants to go, he has bitten a guy and is in the middle of a 10 match ban... there is no way we'll get any 50mil bids unless one of the idiot clubs come in to buy him.... monaco would be ideal....

thats just the forces at play.... i just think personally the disruptive nature of these things damage managers. mancini got his league title after bowing to tevez but he was damaged by it... moyes nearly had everton implode on him over lescott... rodgers should keep out of it i think and in the end its time to move on....

I never said he wasn't great for us but top 5 in the world? those are red tinted glasses. there are some real amazing players out there right now that don't bite people.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
which , torres, suarez or ronaldo?

Suarez is worth 35-40mil... he's bitten two guys and racially abused another...... he scored 30 goals but missed huge sections due to suspension. thats whats driving the price. Ronaldo wnet for 80mil on a business deal between two huge club that utd promised ronaldo he could have a year previously and the negotiated over time. he also never said he wanted to go and real stated they had a clear plan to recoup every penny in extra revenue.

With suarez, he's said he wants to go, he has bitten a guy and is in the middle of a 10 match ban... there is no way we'll get any 50mil bids unless one of the idiot clubs come in to buy him.... monaco would be ideal....

thats just the forces at play.... i just think personally the disruptive nature of these things damage managers. mancini got his league title after bowing to tevez but he was damaged by it... moyes nearly had everton implode on him over lescott... rodgers should keep out of it i think and in the end its time to move on....

I never said he wasn't great for us but top 5 in the world? those are red tinted glasses. there are some real amazing players out there right now that don't bite people.
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What he does on the pitch doesn't change the skill of the player in question. He could foam at the mouth and bark like a lunatic, if he scores insane goals like he did last season, he's worth it in a footballing sense. If no one is willing to pay what he is worth as a footballer, then don't sell him for what he is worth as a human being. We can't pretend to be a bastion of morality.

Not to mention that Real are in bed with Marca (and most other major Spanish media outlets). They wouldn't attack him as much and he'd most likely calm down out of the limelight of Sky etc.

We hold all the cards, we hold the contract, we hold the player. We can play him when we want to play him, when he isn't banned, etc. As a footballer he is worth every penny of 50m and more. A player of Suarez's calibre rarely ever comes onto the scene. We don't have to sell him for less, we can keep him as nothing but a source of shirt sale revenue and still make profit. The club needs to show it's ambition in keeping Suarez, transfer request or not. Past a certain point it can be profitable in all senses to sell him (50m+) but anything less than that, especially at Rio Ferdinand type prices, isn't worth it for LFC.
 
After reading the debate between MITO and Danilo, I must say I agree with Danilo.

Quite simply Suarez is worth a hell of a lot more than 35-40 mil - with all things taken into consideration. I also agree that he probably is in the top 5 players right at this moment in time. Put it this way I'm finding it hard to think of 5 that are better.

I'd strongly suggest he's a better player than Cavani and he's on the brink of a 63mil euro's move to PSG. That equates to just under £55 mil....

So I'm in the camp that says 50+ sell. If not keep him and do what we can with him, he'll still be on fire as he'll be wanting to impress teams if he seriously wants away.
 
The fact is even if we're offered 50+ I don't think we should sell. Why? Because I genuinely believe we would never see even half of that money reinvested on a replacement or two. In fact I think if we were to sell Suarez towards the end of the season we would make do without him. And that would be catastrophic, one decent half season doesn't suddenly make sturridge reliable. And borini doesn't fill me with confidence
 
Rattle snake said:
Wenger coming back with improved offer for Suarez said to be £m35.
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Wenger really should stop wasting his time with this one.

I'm looking forward to next season and to be honest would rather that every conversation that comes up regarding LFC isn't followed by talking about Luis ****ing Suarez. E.g. if he isn't fantastic then 'his heads somewhere else' or if he's brilliant again 'will he go next summer? January?'

Hopefully RM just come in with an acceptable bid and we sell the prick.
 
Sir_Red said:
The fact is even if we're offered 50+ I don't think we should sell. Why? Because I genuinely believe we would never see even half of that money reinvested on a replacement or two. In fact I think if we were to sell Suarez towards the end of the season we would make do without him. And that would be catastrophic, one decent half season doesn't suddenly make sturridge reliable. And borini doesn't fill me with confidence
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I'm not sure what you base this opinion on. As far as I can see, the owners want to run the club as a viable business. This means not spending beyond our means and running up debts. It also means investing money earned back into the business to make/keep it successful to make more in the future.
We're all a bit wary of getting taken to the cleaners like we were with the previous lot, but so far I haven't seen a lot of evidence that FSG are just going to cut and run with what, in overall business terms, is a modest sum.
I can't predict the future obviously, which is why I'm prepared to wait and see what happens rather than assume the worst.
 
If we sell Suarez for 35 million, we will be viewed as a club full of mugs. I say keep him unless we get offerred 50+ million.
 
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ez-says-ambition-driving-Liverpool-exit-plans

read that one and see what you guys think.


i will tell you now the spanish press and the hacks like hunter over there were on about 35mil the day suarez started bleating.

I would say three things

1. if psg or monaco or whoever are in its silly money and frankly thats fine by me... comparing to cavani is pointless as it is psg in that case.

2. top 5 strikers in the world. messi and ronaldo are way out in front... lewandowksi, hulk, neymar (is he a striker, well you know i think he is as much as suarez), aguero, RVP, Ibrhamovic... the list can go on. Suare zis in amongst them but there are plaenty of top guys to debate the top 5 thing. top 10 i'd not be arguing

3. red tinted glasses need to come off guys. some of use are calling him names, some defend him but I think we should really not be expecting 50mil+ for a guy who's gone and had his history.... after all.. there is a reason why cantona and di canio and other such "stars" of the prem were bought as risks... suarez could go and be a total star... or he could do the same again and get another 10 matches.... if you want 50mil+ you need a mad shek to bid after buying a club. I think city and chelsea are out so..... fulahm ;)

seriously guys this guy will go to an english club if we let him, he's proving not only a whinger but also a liar by now... If not for the fact we've a forgiving crowd who will give him more chances i would call him untenable. If a player did this at real he'd be run out of town. Even utd fans are turning on rooney and they will get 25mil for him... yet we want 50 for suarez.
 
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