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PompeyLapras said:
From the misogynistic attitude you've displayed in this thread (and any other thread that's vaguely to do with women's football), that doesn't surprise me somehow.

But yeah, as LTL says it's all about context.
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If you're going to come on here throwing around long words, try and understand the meaning of them. Misogyny is a hatred of women, because they are women. How can that be about context, you either have a hatred of women, because they're women or you don't. You cant have certain circumstances when you can hate them and some when you cant.

FYI, I dig chicks all the time, so there goes your theory. I just don't want them managing my football team.
 
Lord Duckhunter said:
What I find hard to understand is someone who indulges in "laddish" conversations down the pub, but tries to shut down free speech on a forum. What you have done is classic thought police tactics. You have causally lumped calling girls chicks, judging them by their looks in with sexual assault. I have never said it is ok to assault anyone at work so stop trying to tar me with that particular brush.

It is not for you to decide what is and isn't acceptable, anymore than it is for me to. We have had a member of the female sex on here with no problem being called a chick, yet you are getting your knickers in a twist over it. Despite the fact that you indulge in these "laddish" conversations in the pub, you try and claim the moral ground on here.

You sir, are a hypocrite.
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Utter rubbish. I can indulge in conversations in the pub that are to do with the aesthetics of a woman because that's what the conversation is about and it's contextually appropriate. On a forum where the subject of discussion is the ability of a woman to manage a football team (and then extrapolated to overall management) I personally think it's disrespectful and inappropriate to start talking about whether or not they're "ten pinters" which you resort to in any thread that women are being discussed. If you want to start a thread called "boobs & arses" then be my guest, please. But dragging a discussion about management down to a level of looks is disrespectful.

Again, that's really not hard to get your head round...,
 
FYI, I dig chicks all the time, so there goes your theory. I just don't want them managing my football team.
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Yes, you don't want them managing your football team BECAUSE they are women, not for any other reason ergo you 'hate' female football managers (although it's probably not hatred, just completely misguided). Misogyny.
 
Lord Duckhunter said:
If you're going to come on here throwing around long words, try and understand the meaning of them. Misogyny is a hatred of women, because they are women. How can that be about context, you either have a hatred of women, because they're women or you don't. You cant have certain circumstances when you can hate them and some when you cant.

FYI, I dig chicks all the time, so there goes your theory. I just don't want them managing my football team.
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If you're going to come on here trying to be clever and belittling people, try and realise that mysogyny also now is considered to include entrenched prejudice against women, including their sexual objectification. Just a point worth considering.
 
I'm going to bow out of this now anyhow, as I really don't think it's getting us anywhere. For the sake of fairness though, perhaps there has been some over-sensitivity over the use of the word "chicks" - it's not something I'd do personally as to me it feels archaic and somewhat disrespectful. However, I accept your right to use it if you must, but I'll reserve my right to disagree.

I do think though, that were large parts of the transfer rumour thread given over to discussing whether we should sign some of the players on the basis of how handsome they're considered, that you'd at best consider that rather silly.

With that, I'm out. Thank goodness we're all different eh......
 
PompeyLapras

I would tend to agree that there will come a time when a woman will be appointed manager of a professioanl football team. Last month I was reading an article about the way that women's football is being restructured this season and the author made the point that many established teams (I think Doncaster Belles was cited) are now moving locations in order to be affiliated with professional teams. The suggestion was that this seemed to be a trend and that teams like Doncaster would struggle and those women's teams with no history or tradition looked like being susurped by clubs associated with the professional men's game. To my limited understanding of women's football, the game is sharpening itself up to be both more professional and also far more commercial than it has ever been. I would suggest that this will ultimately lead to the improvement in this sport and, perhaps, easier for a woman to switch from the female to male side of the game.

There is no reason why women can't manage male teams and I must admit to being fascinated when it comes to considering just how much impact an manager does have once the team crosses the line. I wouldn't expect tha Hope Powell would tolerate much nonsense and the only bar that I could imagine would be commanding a dressing room full of Neanderthals. My guess would be that we will see women managers in non-league and lower tier football but I think that the PL will be a long way off unless a woman manager starts to dominate the game in the lower leagues.

The point about Paul Hart is a good one but I am reminded of an old BBC documentary about 10 years ago that followed Paul Brush whilst he was manager at Orient. I was staggered by his ineptitude and his performance in front of the camera was ar from professional. I believe he was later manager of non-league Lincoln City. On this showing, it is staggering how some managers behave and I can recall thinking that if I was a fan of the O's I would have been horrified. Can't see why a good female manager like Hope Powell woldn't be preferable to someone like Paul Brush.
 
le tissier's laces said:
if you're going to come on here trying to be clever and belittling people, try and realise that mysogyny also now is considered to include entrenched prejudice against women, including their sexual objectification. Just a point worth considering.
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women are not objects, they're people with feelings and stuff.
 
Ian Thumwood said:
PompeyLapras

I would tend to agree that there will come a time when a woman will be appointed manager of a professioanl football team. Last month I was reading an article about the way that women's football is being restructured this season and the author made the point that many established teams (I think Doncaster Belles was cited) are now moving locations in order to be affiliated with professional teams. The suggestion was that this seemed to be a trend and that teams like Doncaster would struggle and those women's teams with no history or tradition looked like being susurped by clubs associated with the professional men's game. To my limited understanding of women's football, the game is sharpening itself up to be both more professional and also far more commercial than it has ever been. I would suggest that this will ultimately lead to the improvement in this sport and, perhaps, easier for a woman to switch from the female to male side of the game.

There is no reason why women can't manage male teams and I must admit to being fascinated when it comes to considering just how much impact an manager does have once the team crosses the line. I wouldn't expect tha Hope Powell would tolerate much nonsense and the only bar that I could imagine would be commanding a dressing room full of Neanderthals. My guess would be that we will see women managers in non-league and lower tier football but I think that the PL will be a long way off unless a woman manager starts to dominate the game in the lower leagues.

The point about Paul Hart is a good one but I am reminded of an old BBC documentary about 10 years ago that followed Paul Brush whilst he was manager at Orient. I was staggered by his ineptitude and his performance in front of the camera was ar from professional. I believe he was later manager of non-league Lincoln City. On this showing, it is staggering how some managers behave and I can recall thinking that if I was a fan of the O's I would have been horrified. Can't see why a good female manager like Hope Powell woldn't be preferable to someone like Paul Brush.
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Nice one Ian good post........
 
Lovelocum said:
women are not objects, they're people with feelings and stuff.
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I have always thought that the very lovely Mrs Godders:emoticon-0115-inlov feels very nice!

fran-MLs little camera said:
Can I just say that I prefer it if we sign nice looking lads (hangs head in shame). I also admit that Mauricio's looks helped me get over the loss of Nigel (even more ashamed). :)
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You missed out the bit where their contract has to include a clause which states they must take their shirt off at least once in every home game.:emoticon-0110-tongu
 
St Godders the Peacemaker said:
Is that Hmm.... a challenge to the historical accuracy of my statement?

If it is then reading this accurate article in the Grauniad may help persuade you that I am correct:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/13/racism-football-premier-league-campbell
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An article from the Guardian to persuade me?<laugh>

The bloke who wrote it obviously thinks that Till Death Us Do Part 1965-75 and Love Thy Neighbour 1972-76 were contemporary with the 1984 Chelsea incidents he refers to. He also, as a true Guardianista, labours under the real (or fake) illusion that the lead roles in these sit-coms were heroes to the rest of us, instead of the butt of the humour.
As for Sol Campbell bleating about his exclusion from the Spurs team until the grand old age of 18, when he should have been starring before his GCSEs (according to him), forgive my cynicism. His subsequent 73 England appearances, some as Captain, obviously support his inference of "racism"-presumably he would have had more caps if he'd beem white(unless he came from Guernsey).
None of this undermines my reference to the well documented and celebrated achievements of the likes of Pele, Jairzinho, and Eusebio at the real "top flight" in the 60s and 70s'

BTW, all this aside, does the lovely Mrs Godders object to the thought of being labelled a "chick":confused:
 
breconsaint said:
BTW, all this aside, does the lovely Mrs Godders object to the thought of being labelled a "chick":confused:
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She and her new found friend from the Women's Group she has recently joined would castrate you for labelling her anything and as for calling her a chick they would probably stick a red hot poker right up your..... well we wont go into that on a family website.
 
St Godders the Peacemaker said:
She and her new found friend from the Women's Group she has recently joined would castrate you for labelling her anything and as for calling her a chick they would probably stick a red hot poker right up your..... well we wont go into that on a family website.
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<laugh> - There's a coincidence. I've just been watching Blackadder and the Black monks. These women obviously get their ideas from the baby eating Bishop of Bath and Wells. I hasten to add that I wouldn't dream of calling her anything but "the lovely Mrs Godders" (is the title Mrs still OK with her women's group?) I wouldn't want to be "doing an Edward" (II) would I?
 
breconsaint said:
<laugh>I hasten to add that I wouldn't dream of calling her anything but "the lovely Mrs Godders" (is the title Mrs still OK with her women's group?)?
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I get away with it on here but I wouldn't dare say it around the house now her new found friend has moved in and I am sleeping in the spare room. Her new friend is a strnge customer. When I said the very lovely Mrs Godders:emoticon-0115-inlov had a soft spot for Morgan she got really belligerent but when I said she used to like Marian as well she calmed down. She really is a strange customer and I haven't yet worked her out but she seems fond of very lovely Mrs Godders:emoticon-0115-inlov so that must be OK.
 
St Godders the Peacemaker said:
I get away with it on here but I wouldn't dare say it around the house now her new found friend has moved in and I am sleeping in the spare room. Her new friend is a strnge customer. When I said the very lovely Mrs Godders:emoticon-0115-inlov had a soft spot for Morgan she got really belligerent but when I said she used to like Marian as well she calmed down. She really is a strange customer and I haven't yet worked her out but she seems fond of very lovely Mrs Godders:emoticon-0115-inlov so that must be OK.
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They do say that the secret of a successful marriage is to have individual interests?<whistle>
 
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