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Super Injunction said:
I'm sure you'll agree that, this season alone, United have not been as magical as they were a few seasons back. Maybe that detracts from their excellent defensive displays but still, United are synonymous with exciting attacking flair, somehting they may have lacked this season?

Not a dig, just an observation.
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Fair enough we haven't had the 'magic' or 'flair' of before..Very true
But to state we don't play to entertain....
seriously?
 
The two league meetings between Spurs & Arsenal produced 4 points for Spurs and 1 point for Arsenal. That in itself turns your comment into pure opinion without foundation.

My original comment starts with: 'Going on the evidence of my eyes' In other words it is not based on stats. it is based on my observations when watching Spurs play. Now you can argue that I am biased or mistaken but remember I am a Spurs fan. I have watched every game they have played this season apart from three. Which is probably more than you have as a Man U fan.

I am not commentating on other clubs and what they should or could have done simply because I have not seen enough of them. If it is impossible for you to judge a football team except on the evidence of their league position then it really is a waste of time debating on this thread.

The argument (my argument) is about performance not results and it is essentially addressed to Spurs fans. This season Spurs have performed on the pitch on a par with Arsenal and had the better of the two games between them. We have outplayed Man City twice and got nothing from the games. There is little to choose between these three teams in terms of quality on the pitch. Arsenal & Man City have scored more goals and acumulated more points hence their higher positions but it does not alter my perception that niether are better than Spurs.

Equally Blackpool have taken 4 points from Spurs but it does not alter my perception that Spurs are a far better team. Therein lies the underachievment.
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Basing your perception of whether you are better on us on 2 games is not the best evidence for your argument. Besides are you forgetting the very 1st NLD of the season? Because we comprehensively outplayed you in that. Also you have not performed on a par against us throughout the season as if so then you would be ahead or level with us. Good performances generally lead to good results and if your performances had been on average better than ours or man citys then I am inclined to think that you would have overtaken us.
 
robin_van_ fiberglass said:
Basing your perception of whether you are better on us on 2 games is not the best evidence for your argument. Besides are you forgetting the very 1st NLD of the season? Because we comprehensively outplayed you in that. Also you have not performed on a par against us throughout the season as if so then you would be ahead or level with us. Good performances generally lead to good results and if your performances had been on average better than ours or man citys then I am inclined to think that you would have overtaken us.
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All I am saying is that Spurs are now on a par with Arsenal not that one is better than the other. On the field Spurs are no longer having to play at the top of their game just to hang on to the coat-tails of Arsenal as has been the case for too many years. Now it is a game of equals. If I had to come down and say which was the best I would have to pick Arsenal but the difference is now marginal.

We will get a clearer picture next season (depending on what happens in the transfer window) but I don't think Arsenal can rest easy with the thought that top 4 is certain. Niether of course can Spurs as we never have.
 
All I am saying is that Spurs are now on a par with Arsenal not that one is better than the other. On the field Spurs are no longer having to play at the top of their game just to hang on to the coat-tails of Arsenal as has been the case for too many years. Now it is a game of equals. If I had to come down and say which was the best I would have to pick Arsenal but the difference is now marginal.

We will get a clearer picture next season (depending on what happens in the transfer window) but I don't think Arsenal can rest easy with the thought that top 4 is certain. Niether of course can Spurs as we never have
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I think the top 4 will be extremely difficult to get in to next year and for us it totally depends on how we spend in the summer. I think all the top 6 teams will have to make strong investments in to their teams so that they don't get left behind. Makes for a great season thats for sure.
 
To be honest, whilst this article attempts to put a good spin on Spurs' season, ultimately you finished 5th and that's all that counts.

All teams can speculate on how they should have done better, got more favourable decisions from the ref, won games that they drew etc.

We could argue that we threw both games away against you and should have taken all 6 pts, but that didn't happen, so we have to face facts rather than fantasy.
 
PISKIE said:
To be honest, whilst this article attempts to put a good spin on Spurs' season, ultimately you finished 5th and that's all that counts.

All teams can speculate on how they should have done better, got more favourable decisions from the ref, won games that they drew etc.

We could argue that we threw both games away against you and should have taken all 6 pts, but that didn't happen, so we have to face facts rather than fantasy.
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I said we underachieved that is the opposite of putting a good spin on the season. That was Harry he put the good spin, I am just slowing it down a bit.
 
Now we have a top 6. Will that be the case by the time the season starts or will transfers reduce it to a top 4 again?
 
Why is 5th bad though, Piskie?
We're vastly outspent by all of the other teams in the top 6, so it's tough for us to unseat anyone.
That is the reality.
 
V.PersieIsTheNewVanBasten

There is an almost direct correlation between a club's wage bill and their league position, in the Premier League.
There's a reason for that, despite any attempts by Arsenal fans to claim otherwise.

I'm not looking at things in a simplistic way at all, just contradicting what some people like to think about their clubs.
Spending on transfers and wages is in no way different.
A player bought for £25m who is paid £4m a year for 5 years will cost less than one brought in on a Bosman, but paid £10m a year for 5 years.

I've yet to hear a convincing argument to the contrary and yours are no different, frankly.
 
V.PersieIsTheNewVanBasten

Individual player's wages aren't fixed, but performance related bonuses are relatively predictable for an entire squad.
If one player is getting them, then another won't be.
There will be unexpected highs and lows (trophy wins, relegation, etc.) but the club will be able to foresee and plan for most of them.

You've misunderstood what I mean about transfers and wages.
The money doesn't go to the same place, but it is still spent by the club, either way.
£25m spent on a transfer and subsequent wages is the same as £25m paid solely on wages over the same period.
The club spends £25m on both.

Do transfer fees dictate salaries at a club?
No.
 
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