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Would rather an injury plagued 24 year old for 15 then Ash Williams at 29 for 12. Micah Richards has much more ceiling and potential.
Would rather an injury plagued 24 year old for 15 then Ash Williams at 29 for 12. Micah Richards has much more ceiling and potential.
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As has been said, Williams for anything around £5mil would be a good signing but adding the British transfer tax which at least doubles that means he'll be yet another overpriced player.
Buy a bunch of mid table players and you'll stay mid table... take a risk on an unproven player from abroad with potential and you may just unlock a gem.
Buy a bunch of mid table players and you'll stay mid table... take a risk on an unproven player from abroad with potential and you may just unlock a gem.
****ing Ashley ****ing Williams?
Jesus Christ.
Like BR but he needs to get more imaginative when it comes to buying players. If you keep buying mid-table level players, then you'll keep coming mid-table unsurprisingly.
If he's not even bloody Swansea's best defender!
If someone would of told me in 2010 that we'd around £35m on players from Swansea I'd of kicked them in the groin and fed to Jimmy Saville.
Jesus Christ.
Like BR but he needs to get more imaginative when it comes to buying players. If you keep buying mid-table level players, then you'll keep coming mid-table unsurprisingly.
If he's not even bloody Swansea's best defender!
If someone would of told me in 2010 that we'd around £35m on players from Swansea I'd of kicked them in the groin and fed to Jimmy Saville.
This is a common trait since we sacked Rafa and hired 3 British managers since.
Although, I am slightly more optimistic regards this transfer window. Last summer was abysmal but I will put that down to the fact that our scouting network was poor. In January, Rodgers got Coutinho and Sturridge and the goals have been flying in. Not only that, we got those two players for a very good price - good value for money.
Sakho, Alderweirald, Eriksen and Gameiro would be the perfect summer for me - strengthens the core of the team.
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Plus BR didn't know the squad. He didn't get to work with any of the main players for weeks because of the Olympics and Euros
Plus BR didn't know the squad. He didn't get to work with any of the main players for weeks because of the Olympics and Euros
Yep - therefore I can understand our poor business in the summer. I just find it annoying that when I think we've learnt from our mistakes, we're then linked with players like Williams ... and at £12m!!
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Yep, couldn't agree more. He got the benefit of doubt from me last summer. I obviously wasn't happy about spending £26m on Borini and Allen but also knew his hands were a little tied in assessing the existing squad so understand him wanting a couple of familiar players around him. Sturridge and Coutinho have been much better although the former is in a slump at the minute.
If we sign Williams then he needs to be fighting for signing of the 2013-14 season for it to make sense to me, can't see that happening. BR will get justifiable stick if he doesn't work out.
Well we are linked heavily with Alderweirald and Eriksen - Eriksen being the marquee signing for me. That would be a serious signing of intent.
These two! If we could only sign 2 player it would be these two.
Maybe I would rather only sign these two players and no one else than sign Williams...
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I'd like those two but that does not solve our lack of presence in the air.
Williams reminds me of a couple of things.
1. Souness. Tried piechnik (what a joke), wright (injured 90% of his reign) and even neil ruddock (one of his last)
2. Houllier singing rigobert song or abel xavier.
3. Rafa and pelligrino or such.
and those are just the crap cbs i've seen guys buy.
Williams is a donkey. there is no two ways about this. there is nobody out there who cannot tell me that this guy sis not a self serving media hound with an autobiography looking to cash in big on his one pay day. This is a recipe for total and utter disaster. That's my opinion and i am sticking to it.
i gave borini a go out of ignorance to him as a player.. ok give him a go seeing he's a young italian international... he's dirt, he can't get a shot on target and is rated as "strong" and "Powerful" by Rodgers himself as main attributes... OH MY GOD!
I even gave allen a good go as a tidy little worker who could pass it. turns out he's positionally naive. What was it rodgers wanted attacking football with tactical discipline. this guy gets out of position more than anyone.. yet ealry on he was also they only guy sprinting back when we were completely exposed... pity he didn't keep that up eh?
In short ordgers wasted his first window in charge chasing ridiculous stupid targets. all signings were a disaster and it was only for the grace of luis suarez we even got to where we got to.
SO... I think it's safe to say If rodgers reverts to williams having made some sort of amends in january he'll not last very long.
1. Souness. Tried piechnik (what a joke), wright (injured 90% of his reign) and even neil ruddock (one of his last)
2. Houllier singing rigobert song or abel xavier.
3. Rafa and pelligrino or such.
and those are just the crap cbs i've seen guys buy.
Williams is a donkey. there is no two ways about this. there is nobody out there who cannot tell me that this guy sis not a self serving media hound with an autobiography looking to cash in big on his one pay day. This is a recipe for total and utter disaster. That's my opinion and i am sticking to it.
i gave borini a go out of ignorance to him as a player.. ok give him a go seeing he's a young italian international... he's dirt, he can't get a shot on target and is rated as "strong" and "Powerful" by Rodgers himself as main attributes... OH MY GOD!
I even gave allen a good go as a tidy little worker who could pass it. turns out he's positionally naive. What was it rodgers wanted attacking football with tactical discipline. this guy gets out of position more than anyone.. yet ealry on he was also they only guy sprinting back when we were completely exposed... pity he didn't keep that up eh?
In short ordgers wasted his first window in charge chasing ridiculous stupid targets. all signings were a disaster and it was only for the grace of luis suarez we even got to where we got to.
SO... I think it's safe to say If rodgers reverts to williams having made some sort of amends in january he'll not last very long.
Ash Williams had bettered hope for his chances that Carra doesn't change his mind over retiring, becuase if he does, the starting pair of Carra and Dagger would be my choice over Williams and Dagger. All the guff over Williams and he's not as good as Carra and not as good as Skrtel either.
One of the latest rumours is that we're after Micah Richards - far superior to Williams IMO, but the tag of £15mil seems a little high for an unproven CB.
One of the latest rumours is that we're after Micah Richards - far superior to Williams IMO, but the tag of £15mil seems a little high for an unproven CB.
Richards is a wide boy. I don't want him either no matter how good in FM2011.
why on earth spend on a guy whos more injured than not?... just by a big tall european player for 4mil called sami junior!
why on earth spend on a guy whos more injured than not?... just by a big tall european player for 4mil called sami junior!
For those who play FIFA.....
Name: Leandro
Age: 19
Club: Palmeiras (on-loan from Gremio)
Position: Forward
Nationality: Brazilian
He is yet to reach his 20th birthday, yet Palmeiras forward Leandro has already experienced highs and lows that some players will avoid throughout the entirety of their career. With his reputation having lurched between "little Neymar" and "unwanted flop" statuses since his 2011 debut, the Brasilia-born forward continues to divide opinion. For the moment, though, having scored on his international debut for Brazil, against Bolivia, last weekend, Leandro's status is very much on the rise.
Part of the problem for the striker, born Weverson Leandro Oliveira Moura, has been the speed and confidence with which he arrived on the first-team scene. In 2010, he was playing for small side SE Gama in his home state of Distrito Federal. However, following an encounter with Brasileirao giants Gremio at the 2010 Copa Santiago youth competition, he was offered the chance of a loan move to the Rio Grande do Sul side. Just months later, with a permanent contract already in hand, he was making his debut for the club's first-team.
The state championships are not to everybody's preference, but with Gremio also competing in the Copa Libertadores, it was in local competition that Leandro was handed his opportunity. While he may have been an unknown entity initially, his seven goals in just 12 appearances pushed him right to the forefront of the public imagination. Gremio now had their own lightening fast and highly-skilled forward to take on the best in the country, and Leandro quickly became an automatic starter when it came to the opening of the national league season in June.
Given his designated position on the pitch and a shared mohawk hairstyle with Neymar, the comparisons were inevitable. Neymarzinho (Little Neymar) and Neymar do Sul (Neymar of the South) were names frequently used in connection with the Gremio starlet, with expectation as to his future achievements growing by the day. It all, though, proved too much for the player himself and, in 22 league appearances in 2011, he would notch just a solitary goal for the Tricolor cause. A brief return to youth football would follow but, despite success at that level, a first-team return for the 2012 state championship proved a disappointing and fruitless affair.
A year on from his bright emergence onto the scene and Leandro's status as one of the brightest young talents in Brazil was in tatters. Just one senior goal in 31 appearances left many questioning his worth and, when he was arrested in April 2012 for driving with a false license, there were many who were quick to suggest that the 18-year-old was in the process of dismantling the career that he had only just begun to build. However, the arrival of experienced coach Vanderlei Luxemburgo at the Stadio Olimpico offered Leandro a shot at redemption and, while not hitting the heights of his initial arrival on the scene, he was able to at least return to some sort of form in the 2012 league season.
A loss of form at an early age can destroy a career, so it is to Leandro's credit that he has fought back stronger. That credit, though, should be extended to Luxemburgo. The former Real Madrid manager was firm with the youngster from the outset, describing the driving license incident as "a giant mess" and later commenting in an overtly critical tone that Leandro "prefers beautiful play to efficiency". The tough love, though, proved effective as his forward scored seven important league goals to help Gremio to Libertadores qualification last campaign.
With that success, though, Gremio's aspirations for 2012 became bigger and forwards of the likes of Welliton, Eduardo Vargas and Hernan Barcos all began to arrive in Porto Alegre ahead of the shot at Libertadores glory. Leandro was quickly becoming surplus to requirements and, having been involved in Brazil's universally disappointing performance at the South American Under-20 championship, he was seen as an ideal candidate for a loan move.
Thus, with makeweights needed to ensure Barcos' arrival at the club, Leandro was one of several players offered on loan to Palmeiras for the season to come.
Once more, then, it seemed Leandro was at a make-or-break point of his career. If he should fail at Palmeiras, playing in Serie B this season, he would quickly have become bracketed with Brazil's numerous failed youth talents. Just two months on, though, and the picture could not look rosier for the on-loan star. Six goals in just nine appearances have helped force his way into the Palmeiras first-team, while that form has seen Luiz Felipe Scolari reward him with a first international cap. Despite playing just 12 minutes against Bolivia, he found the back of the net once again.
There are young footballers the world over who have experienced a similar stalling of their development in the harsh environment of first-team football, but Leandro is an example to them all. The youngster appears to have put his issues behind him and worked hard on his game, with his visibly increased body mass testament to the hours he has put in behind the scenes.
Palmeiras are in the process of discussing parting with €5 million to secure his signature on a permanent basis and, if he can maintain his form over a longer period, it will be just the start of what should be a promising career. He is no "Neymarzinho", that much is certain, but he might just make himself a very good player in his own right.
Name: Leandro
Age: 19
Club: Palmeiras (on-loan from Gremio)
Position: Forward
Nationality: Brazilian
He is yet to reach his 20th birthday, yet Palmeiras forward Leandro has already experienced highs and lows that some players will avoid throughout the entirety of their career. With his reputation having lurched between "little Neymar" and "unwanted flop" statuses since his 2011 debut, the Brasilia-born forward continues to divide opinion. For the moment, though, having scored on his international debut for Brazil, against Bolivia, last weekend, Leandro's status is very much on the rise.
Part of the problem for the striker, born Weverson Leandro Oliveira Moura, has been the speed and confidence with which he arrived on the first-team scene. In 2010, he was playing for small side SE Gama in his home state of Distrito Federal. However, following an encounter with Brasileirao giants Gremio at the 2010 Copa Santiago youth competition, he was offered the chance of a loan move to the Rio Grande do Sul side. Just months later, with a permanent contract already in hand, he was making his debut for the club's first-team.
The state championships are not to everybody's preference, but with Gremio also competing in the Copa Libertadores, it was in local competition that Leandro was handed his opportunity. While he may have been an unknown entity initially, his seven goals in just 12 appearances pushed him right to the forefront of the public imagination. Gremio now had their own lightening fast and highly-skilled forward to take on the best in the country, and Leandro quickly became an automatic starter when it came to the opening of the national league season in June.
Given his designated position on the pitch and a shared mohawk hairstyle with Neymar, the comparisons were inevitable. Neymarzinho (Little Neymar) and Neymar do Sul (Neymar of the South) were names frequently used in connection with the Gremio starlet, with expectation as to his future achievements growing by the day. It all, though, proved too much for the player himself and, in 22 league appearances in 2011, he would notch just a solitary goal for the Tricolor cause. A brief return to youth football would follow but, despite success at that level, a first-team return for the 2012 state championship proved a disappointing and fruitless affair.
A year on from his bright emergence onto the scene and Leandro's status as one of the brightest young talents in Brazil was in tatters. Just one senior goal in 31 appearances left many questioning his worth and, when he was arrested in April 2012 for driving with a false license, there were many who were quick to suggest that the 18-year-old was in the process of dismantling the career that he had only just begun to build. However, the arrival of experienced coach Vanderlei Luxemburgo at the Stadio Olimpico offered Leandro a shot at redemption and, while not hitting the heights of his initial arrival on the scene, he was able to at least return to some sort of form in the 2012 league season.
A loss of form at an early age can destroy a career, so it is to Leandro's credit that he has fought back stronger. That credit, though, should be extended to Luxemburgo. The former Real Madrid manager was firm with the youngster from the outset, describing the driving license incident as "a giant mess" and later commenting in an overtly critical tone that Leandro "prefers beautiful play to efficiency". The tough love, though, proved effective as his forward scored seven important league goals to help Gremio to Libertadores qualification last campaign.
With that success, though, Gremio's aspirations for 2012 became bigger and forwards of the likes of Welliton, Eduardo Vargas and Hernan Barcos all began to arrive in Porto Alegre ahead of the shot at Libertadores glory. Leandro was quickly becoming surplus to requirements and, having been involved in Brazil's universally disappointing performance at the South American Under-20 championship, he was seen as an ideal candidate for a loan move.
Thus, with makeweights needed to ensure Barcos' arrival at the club, Leandro was one of several players offered on loan to Palmeiras for the season to come.
Once more, then, it seemed Leandro was at a make-or-break point of his career. If he should fail at Palmeiras, playing in Serie B this season, he would quickly have become bracketed with Brazil's numerous failed youth talents. Just two months on, though, and the picture could not look rosier for the on-loan star. Six goals in just nine appearances have helped force his way into the Palmeiras first-team, while that form has seen Luiz Felipe Scolari reward him with a first international cap. Despite playing just 12 minutes against Bolivia, he found the back of the net once again.
There are young footballers the world over who have experienced a similar stalling of their development in the harsh environment of first-team football, but Leandro is an example to them all. The youngster appears to have put his issues behind him and worked hard on his game, with his visibly increased body mass testament to the hours he has put in behind the scenes.
Palmeiras are in the process of discussing parting with €5 million to secure his signature on a permanent basis and, if he can maintain his form over a longer period, it will be just the start of what should be a promising career. He is no "Neymarzinho", that much is certain, but he might just make himself a very good player in his own right.
Okay, so perhaps we ought to spend £5mil on Niklas Moisander instead?
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