Juan Mata

[Drogs]

Most 'world class' players should be regulars in their national team surely - difficult to justify them being selected for the World squad otherwise

surely Spain is an exception with Iniesta, Fabregas, Xavi, Silva and Mata to pick from? None of them bar Iniesta and Xavi are going to be regular. Bale also plays for Wales, the difference between Spain and Wales is laughable and Bale is obviously going to start every game.

 

[Zingy]

Hm.

And yet you don't hear Mata being described as in a a class of three, along with Messi and Ronaldo, do you?

Strange that.

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[Drogs]

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a regular emotion when coming in contact with HIAG's posts!

 

[Bucks Blue]

Bale is at the moment, like RVP was at Arsenal. He is carrying Spurs. 2 goals against Lyon in a 2-1 win. Same against Newcastle with the same scoreline. A 1-0 win at WBA where Bale got the only goal. He is standing out because he is by far the best player in that team.

At Chelsea, Mata still stands out among quality players. Lampard, Oscar, Hazard... And if you look at the facts, Mata is better than Bale. World class? No. They are top top players but for me, world class is Messi, Ronaldo and Iniesta. The media are over hyping Bale a lot saying he is in the same league as Messi and Ronaldo. He isn't.

 

[PowerSpurs]

Bale is at the moment, like RVP was at Arsenal. He is carrying Spurs. 2 goals against Lyon in a 2-1 win. Same against Newcastle with the same scoreline. A 1-0 win at WBA where Bale got the only goal. He is standing out because he is by far the best player in that team.

At Chelsea, Mata still stands out among quality players. Lampard, Oscar, Hazard... And if you look at the facts, Mata is better than Bale. World class? No. They are top top players but for me, world class is Messi, Ronaldo and Iniesta. The media are over hyping Bale a lot saying he is in the same league as Messi and Ronaldo. He isn't.

Interesting analysis - slightly surprising that you've only got a few more points than us when you've got so many quality players plus Mata and we've just got Bale and a load of dross

 

[Bucks Blue]

Interesting analysis - slightly surprising that you've only got a few more points than us when you've got so many quality players plus Mata and we've just got Bale and a load of dross

I never said you had a load of dross. I said he is your outstanding player and a lot better than the next best in your team. My personal view is that, man for man, we do have a better team than you. There are only 2 players from your starting line up that I would have in the Chelsea team. Walker and Bale. We have dropped points against lower league teams which had we won, we'd be fighting for the title. I blame the manager for his inept tactics for that!

 

[King Shergar]

Bale is at the moment, like RVP was at Arsenal. He is carrying Spurs. 2 goals against Lyon in a 2-1 win. Same against Newcastle with the same scoreline. A 1-0 win at WBA where Bale got the only goal. He is standing out because he is by far the best player in that team.

At Chelsea, Mata still stands out among quality players. Lampard, Oscar, Hazard... And if you look at the facts, Mata is better than Bale. World class? No. They are top top players but for me, world class is Messi, Ronaldo and Iniesta. The media are over hyping Bale a lot saying he is in the same league as Messi and Ronaldo. He isn't.

There is no way Mata is better than Bale, you are incredibly bias. I doubt the likes of Real Madrid and Barca will ever be interested in Mata, as they already have superior players in midfield. Bale though will be on both clubs radar this summer, as will he be on our radar and Bayern Munichs

 

[PowerSpurs]

surely Spain is an exception with Iniesta, Fabregas, Xavi, Silva and Mata to pick from? None of them bar Iniesta and Xavi are going to be regular. Bale also plays for Wales, the difference between Spain and Wales is laughable and Bale is obviously going to start every game.

You've named two Spanish attacking midfielders who are definitely better than Mata and two who probably are. There are a few others who might get the nod too in a world squad to get some balance - Ozil, Moutinho, Fellaini, Modric (all went or would go for more money than Mata I think). Only room for four or five at most in the squad so not sure Mata makes it. He is very good though.

 

[Bucks Blue]

There is no way Mata is better than Bale, you are incredibly bias. I doubt the likes of Real Madrid and Barca will ever be interested in Mata, as they already have superior players in midfield. Bale though will be on both clubs radar this summer, as will he be on our radar and Bayern Munichs

I'm not being bias. It's hard to argue against the facts isn't it? Facts suggest Mata is better than Bale. Mata may not go to Barca but they don't need him. He is a central playmaker and they have many of those. Bale is a winger who I think is better than Sanchez and thus they may be interested. It's what a club needs. But what is there to suggest that Bale has been much better than Mata?

 

[Drogs]

There is no way Mata is better than Bale, you are incredibly bias. I doubt the likes of Real Madrid and Barca will ever be interested in Mata, as they already have superior players in midfield. Bale though will be on both clubs radar this summer, as will he be on our radar and Bayern Munichs

yep, thought you'd ignore my point! Check their stats, you'll find Mata is far superior, you Chelsea hating tit. It's so ironic you'd use the word bias.

I could not give a flying **** who is interested in Bale, maybe it's because they are a known selling club and we are not? Mata would get into Madrid, Bayern, United so what the **** are you talking about? Bale is a winger and a winger is what you especially require hence being interested.

 

[Drogs]

You've named two Spanish attacking midfielders who are definitely better than Mata and two who probably are. There are a few others who might get the nod too in a world squad to get some balance - Ozil, Moutinho, Fellaini, Modric (all went or would go for more money than Mata I think). Only room for four or five at most in the squad so not sure Mata makes it. He is very good though.

bollocks. I'm happy having Mata over any of the players you just mentioned. He's especially better than Fellaini, Modric and Moutinho! Like I said, any team bar Barcelona.

Are people not aware they are arguing against statistics here? 17 goals, 22 assists. Doesn't lie.

 

[King Shergar]

I'm not being bias. It's hard to argue against the facts isn't it? Facts suggest Mata is better than Bale. Mata may not go to Barca but they don't need him. He is a central playmaker and they have many of those. Bale is a winger who I think is better than Sanchez and thus they may be interested. It's what a club needs. But what is there to suggest that Bale has been much better than Mata?

What facts?

Bale is playing in a weaker side, yet has scored the same number of goals, having played in less games.

The bookies also rate Bale's performances this season above Mata's, making him 2nd favourite behind RVP for the PFA award

 

[Bucks Blue]

bollocks. I'm happy having Mata over any of the players you just mentioned. He's especially better than Fellaini, Modric and Moutinho! Like I said, any team bar Barcelona.

Are people not aware they are arguing against statistics here? 17 goals, 22 assists. Doesn't lie.

It's hard to argue against the facts... And we are called bias for saying Mata is better yet Spurs fans saying Bale is better are what? Thought so...

 

[Bucks Blue]

What facts?

Bale is playing in a weaker side, yet has scored the same number of goals, having played in less games.

The bookies also rate Bale's performances this season above Mata's, making him 2nd favourite behind RVP for the PFA award

Now you're just being lazy... They were in the 3rd post!

Bale - 17 goals, 3 assists.
Mata - 17 goals, 22 assists

Your argument against those?

Oh so what the bookies say must be true... And it appears Bale isn't playing in a very weak side after all as they are only 1 point behind us! Come on... you're making this too easy

 

[Drogs]

What facts?

Bale is playing in a weaker side, yet has scored the same number of goals, having played in less games.

The bookies also rate Bale's performances this season above Mata's, making him 2nd favourite behind RVP for the PFA award

these stats: 17 goals 22 assists. He's played less games because Mata has been in Europe/World Cub Champs and even taking his 4 goals and 3 assists out of those Mata still has desireable stats.

we're called biased for calling Mata better than Bale, yet when a Spud says he's up there with Ronnie and Messi it's fine. ****er

 

[Drogs]

It's hard to argue against the facts... And we are called bias for saying Mata is better yet Spurs fans saying Bale is better are what? Thought so...

spot on bucks.

Not arguing with King ****head now, he has a burning hatred for Chelsea and he is in fact the one who is biased.

 

[chelsea - over 100 years of history]

What facts?

Bale is playing in a weaker side, yet has scored the same number of goals, having played in less games.

The bookies also rate Bale's performances this season above Mata's, making him 2nd favourite behind RVP for the PFA award

Bale also takes more of Spurs' free kicks at goal where as Mata has to contend with Lampard, Luiz, Hazard.

Bale is a very very good player but it's all a bit of a one man show at Spurs at the moment. All the focus is give the ball to him and he doesn't create nearly enough as a winger. Just look at his rubbish assist stats. Basically he is Ronaldo but not as good. He's easy on the eye cos he's big and powerful but I don't think he has anywhere near the class of Mata.

At Chelsea - Lampard, Oscar, Hazard, Mata and now Luiz all get a lot of the ball and still Mata shines. Put Bale in a team where he's surrounded by other top class players and I doubt he'd stick out. He'd still have good games and moments but he wouldn't influence as much IMO.

Also, Mata is a european champion for club and country. Surely you have to do it at the top level before you can be called world class??

 

[Zingy]

Bale is World Class...


When it comes to running in a straight line really really quickly.

 

[No Kane No Gain]

Bale is at the moment, like RVP was at Arsenal. He is carrying Spurs. 2 goals against Lyon in a 2-1 win. Same against Newcastle with the same scoreline. A 1-0 win at WBA where Bale got the only goal. He is standing out because he is by far the best player in that team.

At Chelsea, Mata still stands out among quality players. Lampard, Oscar, Hazard... And if you look at the facts, Mata is better than Bale. World class? No. They are top top players but for me, world class is Messi, Ronaldo and Iniesta. The media are over hyping Bale a lot saying he is in the same league as Messi and Ronaldo. He isn't.

He's scored our last 6! He's in excellent form at the moment in terms of goals but what team doesn't have a player who goes through excellent form for a time.

Stats aren't the whole game though. Our strikers have generally been **** at putting away his crosses, apparently he's created 50 chances in the league this season(it was on SSN the otherday). Assists can be very misleading too. Walker got an assist for Bale's goal against West Brom where all he did was pass it sideways to Bale who then skipped past Morrison before blasting an unstoppable shot past the 'keeper. Walker had naff all to do with the goal apart from not cocking up a simple pass. I wouldn't put too much store in assists.

For two players who can play across the 3 behind the striker I think they're very similoar in terms of current ability but for quite different reasons. Mata's much more consistent but Bale on form is unplayable. Also, Bale has been getting special treatment from even top teams like United for well over a season, if Mata was double marked as often as Bale you might have more appreciation for him.

I never said you had a load of dross. I said he is your outstanding player and a lot better than the next best in your team. My personal view is that, man for man, we do have a better team than you. There are only 2 players from your starting line up that I would have in the Chelsea team. Walker and Bale. We have dropped points against lower league teams which had we won, we'd be fighting for the title. I blame the manager for his inept tactics for that!

You can add Sandro, Kaboul/Vertonghen and Lennon to that. I don't think you want Walker on current form though.

 

[Drogs]

Bale wasn't even brilliant against Lyon, yet the press spoonfed us bullshit because he scored two great free kicks.

assists can be misleading is that because Bale only has 3 despite being a winger?