Racism

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Dan Starkey said:
I think the real can of worms for the FA is consistency. Liverpool fans were up in arms about the difference in the punishments for Suares and Terry and probably have a point. The FA can talk about nuances and different elements in the case but all most people will think is Terry said "effing BC" and Suares said "negrito" yet one got double the ban. They need to be far clearer in explaining the reasons for the differences and then maybe people like Jason Roberts may feel differently. His reaction was interesting as he's never struck me as particularly having an axe to grind but, rather, is protecting the interests of players who don't like to be abused simply because of the colour of their skin.

Although most people are probably sick and tired of it I don't really think it has been blown out of proportion. The FA can't push for sactions against serbia for what happened the other night whilst allowing players in their own game to chuck around racial insults with impunity.
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Suarez is a foreign **** soit doesn't count.
 
SaintsForTheWin said:
RebelBhoy said:
So you are guessing what Jason Roberts thinks and does?
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No, I have built a portrait up of what he thinks by having to listen to him argue with 50% of the callers on 606 last year. He's a very opinionated man and likes having his voice heard.
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So you want to make a bet with me over something you already know the answer to. That aint fair.

I am only judging what I heard on the news yesterday. On this issue I support his stance.

England is one of the most tolerant and progressive societies. But in this instance kio is toothless.
 
SaintsForTheWin said:
Indeed, but if I made a complaint that I got called a "white prick" from a person of African origin, I would be laughed out of a police station. To be fair, I wouldn't complain as I would probably find it amusing. I've been called loads of **** in my life and have never been offended.
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I bet you cry a little inside when you get called a bufty.
 
RebelBhoy said:
So you want to make a bet with me over something you already know the answer to. That aint fair.

I am only judging what I heard on the news yesterday. On this issue I support his stance.

England is one of the most tolerant and progressive societies. But in this instance kio is toothless.
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I just hate hearing about on going issues when there are bigger issues that are getting a lot less air time. Doesn't help that SSN is becoming more of a gossip channel.
 
SaintsForTheWin said:
Indeed, but if I made a complaint that I got called a "white prick" from a person of African origin, I would be laughed out of a police station. To be fair, I wouldn't complain as I would probably find it amusing. I've been called loads of **** in my life and have never been offended.
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I am not offended by being called white, it doesn't mean I wouldn't use it against someone who assaulted me. If the intent is to offend by using my race as part of the verbal assault I am just as entitled to complain as if I were black and my colour had been used. It's just I've never heard anything that insults me in the same way as the racist language used against black people obviously does.

If I got in a fight and for the duration the other person was saying "I hate white people" or "You effing white c--t" then it would be a racial assault, not just normal assault.

I'm not here to defend Roberts but I think the point he was making is that we are making a huge deal about what the U-21's had to put up with from the Serbian supporters but he obviously thinks things aren't so much different here. Perhaps he thinks the Kick it Out campaign hasn't been that effective?

As with comments on Not606, everyone has an opinion and we don't all have to agree with them.
 
GroveRanger said:
I am not offended by being called white, it doesn't mean I wouldn't use it against someone who assaulted me. If the intent is to offend by using my race as part of the verbal assault I am just as entitled to complain as if I were black and my colour had been used. It's just I've never heard anything that insults me in the same way as the racist language used against black people obviously does.

If I got in a fight and for the duration the other person was saying "I hate white people" or "You effing white c--t" then it would be a racial assault, not just normal assault.

I'm not here to defend Roberts but I think the point he was making is that we are making a huge deal about what the U-21's had to put up with from the Serbian supporters but he obviously thinks things aren't so much different here. Perhaps he thinks the Kick it Out campaign hasn't been that effective?

As with comments on Not606, everyone has an opinion and we don't all have to agree with them.
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<applause> 100% agree with all of that.
 
GroveRanger said:
I am not offended by being called white, it doesn't mean I wouldn't use it against someone who assaulted me. If the intent is to offend by using my race as part of the verbal assault I am just as entitled to complain as if I were black and my colour had been used. It's just I've never heard anything that insults me in the same way as the racist language used against black people obviously does.

If I got in a fight and for the duration the other person was saying "I hate white people" or "You effing white c--t" then it would be a racial assault, not just normal assault.

I'm not here to defend Roberts but I think the point he was making is that we are making a huge deal about what the U-21's had to put up with from the Serbian supporters but he obviously thinks things aren't so much different here. Perhaps he thinks the Kick it Out campaign hasn't been that effective?

As with comments on Not606, everyone has an opinion and we don't all have to agree with them.
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I agree
 
SaintsForTheWin said:
I just hate hearing about on going issues when there are bigger issues that are getting a lot less air time. Doesn't help that SSN is becoming more of a gossip channel.
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There are more prevalent issues certainly. But the darling of the FA is the kick it out campaign. Roberts is being asked to endorse it and he can't do it because he believes it is failing.

This will highlight the failings of kick it out and do a lot more for anti racism than meekly wearing a t-shirt would.
 
To suggest that things aren't much better here than they are in Eastern Europe is laughable. Racism rears its ugly head on occasion in English football, but it's on a completely different level over there.

Stupid slavs.
 
monacoger said:
Should the ****s not just be grateful that they are getting a free T-shirt to wear?
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<laugh> Glen Johnson certainly thought so when he gleefully put on the Luis Suares is innocent tee shirt - and then had to put up with him calling him a negrito on Twitter. Funny how Rio never called him a choc ice eh?
 
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