Um... Paul Lambert
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Personally I couldn't care less. If you look back on the posts about Lambert, it oscilated between he walks on water, to the man is a mercenary who'd rob the eye out your head. He is just following through with legal case, so what?
So many of you on here are so fond of telling others to calm down, not to panic etc well now it's time for you all to calm down and get things in perspective
So many of you on here are so fond of telling others to calm down, not to panic etc well now it's time for you all to calm down and get things in perspective
As 1950canary says, in these cases it's essential not to jump to conclusions without being fully informed. There are always two sides to the question, and plenty of scope for the unexpected. What puzzles me is what exactly caused things to escalate to this extent. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I believe tribunals do not have to publish anything other than their finding and the basis on which they reached it, so the full details are unlikely to emerge. 
Legally it will most likely revolve around what was reasonable.So,If PL claims that not allowing him to talk to Villa breached his contract the lawyers will look at the circumstances surrounding that refusal.First up will be the timescale and the club will presumably claim that three or five hours or whatever it was wasn't a reasonable period of time for them to comply with his request,and in legal terms that will provide a good defence.
There seems to me a possibility that somebody who is quite astute actually structured it this way,knowing that time was of the essence for Villa.Lambert,by resigning within what I suspect will be deemed legally an unreasonably short space of time may well have weakened his case fatally in regard to compensation.Constructive dismissal certainly won't come into it before that implies that the club wanted rid,which clearly they didn't.
As regards lawyers it isn't unknown for them to offer advice that is angled more towards them earning big fees rather than the chances of their client's success.It's good to have a fight from their perspective.Divorce lawyers do it a lot. And after all this is a sort of divorce.
There seems to me a possibility that somebody who is quite astute actually structured it this way,knowing that time was of the essence for Villa.Lambert,by resigning within what I suspect will be deemed legally an unreasonably short space of time may well have weakened his case fatally in regard to compensation.Constructive dismissal certainly won't come into it before that implies that the club wanted rid,which clearly they didn't.
As regards lawyers it isn't unknown for them to offer advice that is angled more towards them earning big fees rather than the chances of their client's success.It's good to have a fight from their perspective.Divorce lawyers do it a lot. And after all this is a sort of divorce.
Lambert has the talent for a big job. But no-one will employ him with this track record.
He did a job for us, and was very successful, well and truly over now.
Chrissy Hughtons Green army.
He did a job for us, and was very successful, well and truly over now.
Chrissy Hughtons Green army.
Really disappointed with PL but in the real world most people would jump at the chance to trouser a £2m payout from a former employer who you left acrimoniously.
Obviously without knowing the details of his contract and the exact sequence of events we do not know how things will go but as a previous poster pointed out the key is acting in a reasonable manner. If we are seen to have acted unreasonably then that is the case done and dusted. However damages in such cases are restricted where the individual finds employment elsewhere unless the new position entails taking a pay cut which I suspect is not the caee here!
Bottom line is that whilst I accept we may well lose the case I can't see the compo being high given PL finding better paid work almost immediately.
Pity it had to come to this.
Obviously without knowing the details of his contract and the exact sequence of events we do not know how things will go but as a previous poster pointed out the key is acting in a reasonable manner. If we are seen to have acted unreasonably then that is the case done and dusted. However damages in such cases are restricted where the individual finds employment elsewhere unless the new position entails taking a pay cut which I suspect is not the caee here!
Bottom line is that whilst I accept we may well lose the case I can't see the compo being high given PL finding better paid work almost immediately.
Pity it had to come to this.
One Paul Lambert, there's only one Paul Lambert.
For the life of me, I fail to see what the hell you are rejoicing about! You're about to drop into division 4, surely that's of greater concern to you!
One Paul Lambert, there's only one Paul Lambert.
How's that nice Joe 'Mr Cheap Option' Dunne doing for you guys?
I didn't notice you discussing it on that ColU board presided over by dear old Mikey (great mod choice by the way
). Haven't been banned, have you?
No chance of that Dave. Not rejoicing, just remembering that 2 years ago I posted that Lambert would do a runner the first chance he got, he left us with a club car looks like he could be leaving you with a big fat wedge. Paul Lambert hero to Zero.
look, lambert is on a mission to get to the very top, very quickly. will he do it like this, by making so many enemies? quite possibly. if he's good at what he does, he'll keep getting better jobs. we were a bigger stepping stone than colchester, villa a bigger one than us. who will be next? will be interesting to see what happens when he moves on from villa...
monarch, with all due respect, the contrasts could not be greater. he left you in the same position (roughly) as he found you - he's taken us 55 places up the league pyramid. he might have dumped us - and i don't think you'll find many who thought he wouldn't, though i and others were surprised it wasn't an even bigger job - so what is the point of making these comments? you come across like a bit of an ashley cole
edit* that's not cockney rhyming slang by the way! ashley cole is my new way of expressing someone who is being an idiot
ncg, Our cheap option has picked up more points in his first 2 games than Houghton has this season, please put JD and Kinsella off your radar.
Well, we're apparently we're making a counter claim against him
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19845553
What gets me is the last quote from him:
"Am I concerned Norwich fans are only hearing one side of the story? In a word, 'yes'."
If thats the case why doesn't he come out and explain his reasons for leaving? He keeps saying he had his reasons but doesn't want to go into them, which is fair enough, but he can't then complain that we're only hearing one side of the story. There was quite clearly something not quite right about the whole process, hence the claim and counter claim, but surely his reluctance to reveal his reasons behind leaving isn't helping.
As for the breach of contract, I would imagine it comes down to some clause stating if a bigger club comes in for him he's allowed to talk to them, but there was some dispute over whether Villa were a bigger club. In Lambert's eyes Villa were a bigger club, with the potential to go and compete in Europe and win trophies, however our board may have taken the opinion that a club finishing five places below us, six points adrift of us and in a worse position financially weren't bigger.
Anyway, as has been mention already, without knowing the exact details of his contract we'll or if he comes out and gives his reasons for leaving we'll never really know
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19845553
What gets me is the last quote from him:
"Am I concerned Norwich fans are only hearing one side of the story? In a word, 'yes'."
If thats the case why doesn't he come out and explain his reasons for leaving? He keeps saying he had his reasons but doesn't want to go into them, which is fair enough, but he can't then complain that we're only hearing one side of the story. There was quite clearly something not quite right about the whole process, hence the claim and counter claim, but surely his reluctance to reveal his reasons behind leaving isn't helping.
As for the breach of contract, I would imagine it comes down to some clause stating if a bigger club comes in for him he's allowed to talk to them, but there was some dispute over whether Villa were a bigger club. In Lambert's eyes Villa were a bigger club, with the potential to go and compete in Europe and win trophies, however our board may have taken the opinion that a club finishing five places below us, six points adrift of us and in a worse position financially weren't bigger.
Anyway, as has been mention already, without knowing the exact details of his contract we'll or if he comes out and gives his reasons for leaving we'll never really know
He was quite selective with his reply to me. Didn't say why the ColU boys set up a website without revealing it to Monarch?
He was quite selective with his reply to me. Didn't say why the ColU boys set up a website without revealing it to Monarch?
Only ever posts on my threads. ****ing maniac ain't he.
Paul Lambert said that he's 'concerned about Norwich fans only hearing one side of the story!'
He wanted to leave us and now he is saying the we dismissed him unfairly? He got what he wanted!
He wanted to leave us and now he is saying the we dismissed him unfairly? He got what he wanted!