Chanting on Tuesday

[Happy Tiger]

I wonder why none of the defenders of this behavior have actually had the balls to type out a list of what is and what isn't acceptable? Way it seems is, singing about the Liverpool fans isn't but singing about Leeds fans killed in Turkey is just part of the banter. Casual racism or in fact any type of hate chanting is fine too apparently, it's been done for years and is part of the game.

So lets hear it, is anything out of bounds for singing? If so, why? What is and what isn't acceptable.?

 

[Boothferry2Wembley]

Wise men say is unacceptable, there, I said it.

 

[DMD]

I wonder why none of the defenders of this behavior have actually had the balls to type out a list of what is and what isn't acceptable? Way it seems is, singing about the Liverpool fans isn't but singing about Leeds fans killed in Turkey is just part of the banter. Casual racism or in fact any type of hate chanting is fine too apparently, it's been done for years and is part of the game.

So lets hear it, is anything out of bounds for singing? If so, why? What is and what isn't acceptable.?

Why would it take balls? You've a strange concept of courage. What was chanted is, to a degree immaterial. It was a noise that whatever else it may or may not have been, wasn't illegal. it was made by a few people who, it seems, were virtually ignored by those around them. Given they're effectively trolling for a reaction, that was possibly a good shout.

The bleating from some on here over the comments made by a few people that they never heard to me is worse than the chanters as it's brought it to a wider audience and given it oxygen it didn't deserve.

The 'outraged and indignant' are possibly a worse problem than the ones looking for a reaction.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Why would it take balls? You've a strange concept of courage. What was chanted is, to a degree immaterial. It was a noise that whatever else it may or may not have been, wasn't illegal. it was made by a few people who, it seems, were virtually ignored by those around them. Given they're effectively trolling for a reaction, that was possibly a good shout.

The bleating from some on here over the comments made by a few people that they never heard to me is worse than the chanters as it's brought it to a wider audience and given it oxygen it didn't deserve.

The 'outraged and indignant' are possibly a worse problem than the ones looking for a reaction.

Worthy of an MP that babble dutch, you say it best when you say nothing at all.

Sunlight is always the best disinfectant.

 

[Danger Fox]

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[robingram02]

There are more developed, liberalized countries than this one, and I see every single one of them has football fans more edgy than in Britain.

If fans had been stabbed and a player committed suicide at one team in a derby fixture in Holland, Norway, Sweden, Germany or others, you can bet your arse there'd have been offensive chanting, and not by just five people either.

Why? Because they don't take **** off police and stewards, and the media don't go on a hysterical witch-hunt every time a sick joke is made in the form of song. Just as they wouldn't when a sick joke is made between two work colleagues, friends or brothers to wind the other one up.

And the other fans then give as good as they get.

Maybe it's the case that true liberals, in their permitting and open nature, take the view that people can do what they want with their lives and that includes terrace shenanigans like the above.

My argument would be that true liberalism would be the belief that you have the freedom of speech to say anything as long as it doesn't impinge on the rights, freedom or discrimination of others.

 

[Craigo]

Why would it take balls? You've a strange concept of courage. What was chanted is, to a degree immaterial. It was a noise that whatever else it may or may not have been, wasn't illegal. it was made by a few people who, it seems, were virtually ignored by those around them. Given they're effectively trolling for a reaction, that was possibly a good shout.

The bleating from some on here over the comments made by a few people that they never heard to me is worse than the chanters as it's brought it to a wider audience and given it oxygen it didn't deserve.

The 'outraged and indignant' are possibly a worse problem than the ones looking for a reaction.

I think you've got that the wrong way around. If something happens that is wrong it's healthy to bring it out into the open and expose it to a wide audience.
History teaches us that when evil **** is allowed to lurk in the shadows it flourishes. Speaking of which is EGD Wright now a member of this forum as I thought I saw his name among the lurkers the other day?

 

[DMD]

Worthy of an MP that babble dutch, you say it best when you say nothing at all.

Sunlight is always the best disinfectant.

If you're stumbling down to the silly comment stage of discussion, I've highlighted a summary of your contributions so far.

Rather hypocritical of you to post an attempted insult for a reaction, given the context of this thread.

 

[DMD]

I think you've got that the wrong way around. If something happens that is wrong it's healthy to bring it out into the open and expose it to a wide audience.
History teaches us that when evil **** is allowed to lurk in the shadows it flourishes. Speaking of which is EGD Wright now a member of this forum as I thought I saw his name among the lurkers the other day?

Given that the law is set for the good of all society and the chants the four people made are not illegal, you seem to be canvassing yourself as the head of a future dictatorship.

 

[Craigo]

Given that the law is set for the good of all society and the chants the four people made are not illegal, you seem to be canvassing yourself as the head of a future dictatorship.

I think calling Gary Speed a ***** could be construed as slander, but thankfully most people's moral codes aren't completely dictated by words in a law book. What about EGD Wright though?

 

[DMD]

There are more developed, liberalized countries than this one, and I see every single one of them has football fans more edgy than in Britain.

If fans had been stabbed and a player committed suicide at one team in a derby fixture in Holland, Norway, Sweden, Germany or others, you can bet your arse there'd have been offensive chanting, and not by just five people either.

Why? Because they don't take **** off police and stewards, and the media don't go on a hysterical witch-hunt every time a sick joke is made in the form of song. Just as they wouldn't when a sick joke is made between two work colleagues, friends or brothers to wind the other one up.

And the other fans then give as good as they get.

Maybe it's the case that true liberals, in their permitting and open nature, take the view that people can do what they want with their lives and that includes terrace shenanigans like the above.

Given the chant was designed to wind up yourself and fellow leeds fans, the fact you're on here expressing the opinions that you are, to my eyes shows that the individuals failed in the simple task of being obnoxious. That's probably a better lesson than all the indignant bluster from some others.


For what it's worth, I wouldn't sing such chants nor would I expect anyone in my circle to, but that's my choice. I don't like the feeble "we love you" chant, drums nor the ****ers of the Sheff Wednesday band that have infested England games either.

 

[DMD]

I think calling Gary Speed a ***** could be construed as slander, but thankfully most people's moral codes aren't completely dictated by words in a law book. What about EGD Wright though?

That wouldn't be a crime but an action for damages, but that doesn't apply to people who are deceased.

 

[Craigo]

That wouldn't be a crime but an action for damages, but that doesn't apply to people who are deceased.

Just shows how the law doesn't always cover most people's moral values eh?
BTW You still haven't answered my question on EGD Wright.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Given the chant was designed to wind up yourself and fellow leeds fans, the fact you're on here expressing the opinions that you are, to my eyes shows that the individuals failed in the simple task of being obnoxious. That's probably a better lesson than all the indignant bluster from some others.


For what it's worth, I wouldn't sing such chants nor would I expect anyone in my circle to, but that's my choice. I don't like the feeble "we love you" chant, drums nor the ****ers of the Sheff Wednesday band that have infested England games either.

Yay my silly comment must have worked.

I feel miles better knowing the mod of the best Hull City board there is agrees with 99% of the members.

This sounds sarcastic but its genuinely not.

Close the thread now.

 

[DMD]

Just shows how the law doesn't always cover most people's moral values eh?
BTW You still haven't answered my question on EGD Wright.

You're right, I haven't answered it.

Feel free to go through the member list to see if someone has registered that username, then feel free to make any guesses you feel appropriate to see if it's the same one from CI, then consider, given the two main topics that get locked on here and ask yourself if it matters.

Me, I'll just deal with what's posted.

 

[DMD]

Yay my silly comment must have worked.

I feel miles better knowing the mod of the best Hull City board there is agrees with 99% of the members.

This sounds sarcastic but its genuinely not.

Close the thread now.

It was the fact that the Leeds fan had taken the time to post a reasonable and measured response that made me think that I need to let him be clear where I personally stand and that specific element.

 

[Exodus Geohaghon]

My argument would be that true liberalism would be the belief that you have the freedom of speech to say anything as long as it doesn't impinge on the rights, freedom or discrimination of others.

Speech itself can't impinge on other people in any concrete moral sense. Freedom of speech is absolute.

 

[Craigo]

You're right, I haven't answered it.

Feel free to go through the member list to see if someone has registered that username, then feel free to make any guesses you feel appropriate to see if it's the same one from CI, then consider, given the two main topics that get locked on here and ask yourself if it matters.

Me, I'll just deal with what's posted.

Ok calm down. I looked on the list and he is a member. There goes the neighbourhood.

 

[DMD]

Ok calm down. I looked on the list and he is a member. There goes the neighbourhood.

I'm perfectly calm. Anyone can register a username. It means absolutely nothing if that one is chosen. Relax and play the cards as they're dealt.

 

[Craigo]

I'm perfectly calm. Anyone can register a username. It means absolutely nothing if that one is chosen. Relax and play the cards as they're dealt.

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