agree with a lot of that. I would add: the evidence for me that they have not been pointless is Bates has singled them out for advesre comment. If they were having no effect he would have ignored them. and those that criticise them tend to point out how little they have achieved or how little they may or may not know about what is going on..... those criticisms fail to understand what realistically an organisation like LUST can be expected to achieve.
Hi California, welcome to the board. Interesting point that I hadn't considered. Bates clearly hates LUST & you're right - there's every chance that whatever horizon they offer, Bates will do his best to undermine them by extending beyond whatever horizon they offer. Might explain a lot.
Welcome, are you in California? Where specifically if so? We can never know what effect LUST's actions have had but I firmly believe they have acted on behalf of all of us as best they could. Fans were arguing over Bates for years before LUST was formed. Bates is the divisive factor here not LUST.