Guly done for drink driving !

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I didn't say you should - however you shouldn't be released from your club and stuck in prison for a million years for it either. It's probably quite a common offence for footballers too, out late at night after drinking. You just don't hear of most of them.

No, I quite agree, I'm actually one of Guly's supporters, and the amount of invective he gets from fans with a peculiar chip on their shoulder/anti-Cortese sentiment is appalling. I was just making the point that drink-driving is not necessarily something that should just be excused. He should be fined and had a stern word with.
 
Yeah - common sense. Everyone knows several people who have driven home from the pub after two or three more pints than they should. Not everybody knows someone who has run over a child after downing a bottle of vodka.

I don't know why, but you seem to be intimating it's "okay" and "one of those things" to now and again drive home after a couple of pints too many?
 
No, I quite agree, I'm actually one of Guly's supporters, and the amount of invective he gets from fans with a peculiar chip on their shoulder/anti-Cortese sentiment is appalling. I was just making the point that drink-driving is not necessarily something that should just be excused. He should be fined and had a stern word with.

After a proper investigation he'll get the deserved legal treatment (probably), which is fine. My "heavily overreacting" comment was mainly aimed towards the masses on Twitter who are calling for bans from football, him to be released etc. THAT is overreacting. Saying he should be told off isn't.
 
Yeah - common sense. Everyone knows several people who have driven home from the pub after two or three more pints than they should. Not everybody knows someone who has run over a child after downing a bottle of vodka.

Your ignorance is astounding. You don't need to down a bottle of vodka to kill a child. If you're over the limit even by a tiny fraction you have put yourself in a compromised position.

Of course it's rare to kill a child but if you drink drive you are taking a risk.
 
I don't know why, but you seem to be intimating it's "okay" and "one of those things" to now and again drive home after a couple of pints too many?

I'm making a distinction between driving home after a couple of pints too many and jumping in a car while you struggle to stand up - if it comes across through comparison as if I'm saying that then it was poor language choice.
 
Your ignorance is astounding. You don't need to down a bottle of vodka to kill a child. If you're over the limit even by a tiny fraction you have put yourself in a compromised position.

Of course it's rare to kill a child but if you drink drive you are taking a risk.

What kind of logic is that? You don't need to be at all drunk to accidentally run over a child, so therefore all driving is wrong? There's a clear difference. Driving home after two pints is very different to driving home after twenty shots.
 
I'm making a distinction between driving home after a couple of pints too many and jumping in a car while you struggle to stand up - if it comes across through comparison as if I'm saying that then it was poor language choice.

Fair enough. I'm a bit touchy on this subject I'm afraid!
 
What kind of logic is that? You don't need to be at all drunk to accidentally run over a child, so therefore all driving is wrong? There's a clear difference. Driving home after two pints is very different to driving home after twenty shots.

No it isn't, both are equally illegal and even being slightly over the limit increases your chances of causing an accident. That's why the limit is set at roughly two pints not twenty shots.
 
No it isn't, both are equally illegal and even being slightly over the limit increases your chances of causing an accident. That's why the limit is set at roughly two pints not twenty shots.

Yes both are illegal but you can't say they have the same level of moral blameworthiness.
 
No it isn't, both are equally illegal and even being slightly over the limit increases your chances of causing an accident. That's why the limit is set at roughly two pints not twenty shots.

In Scandinavia you're not allowed to drink at all if you're driving. That's infinitely more sensible as a rule as otherwise people always try and push it. "Oh I can probably have another half pint" etc - why drink at all if you're designated to drive?
 
No I can't, and equally you can't say that being a little bit over the limit is defensible.

I didn't, however I said and stick to the fact it's far more defensible than going out completely bladdered. Of course we don't know yet how over the limit Guly was - I just made an assumption based on probability that it was not very much, but I stand to be corrected. Either way, people on Twitter are very much overreacting to this, he shouldn't be sacked, he shouldn't be banned from football for life.
 
Sorry but drink driving is inexcusable and entirely selfish, what if he had killed a pedestrian? Yes it's still possible that you might kill a pedestrian while completely sober, but by drink driving you're increasing the likelihood of that happening simply so that you can have a few drinks which is totally inconsiderate to other road users. Though as Mr. Nice says, we don't know how much had been drinking which may make it even more inexcusable if it was a lot.
 
Mr. Nice:3380689 said:
No I can't, and equally you can't say that being a little bit over the limit is defensible.

I didn't, however I said and stick to the fact it's far more defensible than going out completely bladdered. Of course we don't know yet how over the limit Guly was - I just made an assumption based on probability that it was not very much, but I stand to be corrected. Either way, people on Twitter are very much overreacting to this, he shouldn't be sacked, he shouldn't be banned from football for life.

We all know how much you hate assumptions, where's your hard statistical evidence??