Black Caviar

Her connections and other aussie trainers have been shouting were coming over to run on "mud fields against handicappers for peanuts", and now their wondermare has scraped home a head all out, they will maybe show more respect to the greatest racing in the world.

 

Bated Breath on that ground ? REALLY


Boris - French racing ??

 

We don't claim any of that but feel free to continue to put words in other peoples mouths Oddy.

I've already made the point that she was supposed to be the best sprinter of all time and the equal of Frankel. The sample we have is small but given this was arguably her most important race and the result was unquestionably disappointing why on Earth wouldn't we question the validity of the claims from Australia that she's as good as if not better than Frankel. On this race she wasn't. We don't need Timeform to tell us she ran a stone below form, we all have eyes.

We all appreciate them making the effort to come over and it enhanced the Saturday immensely but that isn't what we're talking about in this thread. Also, to be fair they'll have had excellent treatment and a fantastic holiday out of it. They get first place prize money and had experiences very few ever get to enjoy like meeting the Queen post race so they've been more than adequately compensated for their efforts.

 

Good ground?

 

Bluesky......You are being very hard on her, ofcourse she's a wonder mare, she has won 22 races in a row, and has never lost.*

I am 100% convinced that the horse we seen today was not the horse that has taken Australia by storm. Horses can have off days particularly when they've been asked to travel round the world.*

How many *top class horses from over here have gone over to the Breeders Cup and under performed? Dayjur lost out there.*

I know ratings aren't gospel, but all the ratings experts over in Australia agree that she is 10 pounds superior to any sprinter they have ever sent over, and that includes Royal Ascot winners Choisir and Takeover Target. These people are not sentimental old fools either, and would only rate her that far clear if they felt she was.

Scenic Blast looked a beast when he won the Kings Stand a few years back, and she has slammed him 10 lengths on the bridle.*

Star Witness another from Australia who went down a neck in last years Kings Stand is regularly miles behind her, without Black Caviar even being asked a question.*

She is a wonder horse, and I still think she is the best sprinter I have ever seen. You realy should do some research on her Australian form and watch some of her races, before you start holding 1 below par effort against her. There is no way she could have possibly run up to anywhere near her best today *

 

Just a point to everyone - I remember Frankel being "ALL OUT" to beat Zoffany at ASCOT last season. Stop having a go at Black Caviar because she didn't win by half the track.

 

Agree with that last para Nass.

 

yes because queally made an insane move 5f out to catch a pacemaker, if that was black caviar she would have been beaten 20 lengths after a move like that

 

Yeah ok whatever - what was the distance of the win ? he went quick in the guineas didn't he nothing said then because nothing got close

 

she is a one trick pony, sharp track fast ground bully

run her in the epsom dash (NAP)

 

22-0 and has nothing to prove.

 

Very interesting thread, would say most interesting since 606 days.....

Aussies love excuses whenever they lose or underperform. I honestly dont think they had any. They thought they had this race won before the off. The hype around her is a result of their 'confidence' so we are all entitied to criticise her performance. There isnt an excuse for me and she is just a good horse. No wonderhorse.

Frankle however is, he is much much better now that the Zoffany performance and TQ a much better jock.

 

The difference between Frankel that day and BC was how Frankel went away from his field by a good amount before tiring, I don't think Black Caviar showed the same sort of gear change.

She is a very good horse, but today she didn't show the form of a 132 rated sprinter in my opinion. Probably on ratings she ran 10lb+ below, do you not think?

 

I do think that yes Nass but people are being incredibly harsh on her. A lot of the people were going on about how good she was as well before the race.

 

I think that is the problem, people were going on about her because of her record in Australia, rather like many did with Overdose. The difference is, she still won her race.

 

People were going on about it because the aussies were building it up as if she had wings- greatest racehorse ever, the pommes just havent recognised it.

Connections did nothing to play that down. I never heard anyone once say - 'i know shes 21-0 but to be honest most of those races have been a procession and might as well have been against shetland ponys'. Thats the fact though, a horse going off 1-33. That record doesnt mean alot for me. This was the big test, thats why they sent her. She failed badly. No change of speed at all. Nothing, just a nice big engine.

 

I agree RV. If she had won 6 on the trot in OZ rather than 22 and if Frankel hadn't graced racing yet, we'd have said actually, that was very impressive to win on the bridle despite a huge cock up.

The problem we got is that she looked so good on the eye in 20 odd Oz starts and that she was being compared with Frankel that she seems to have flattered to deceive today- but far from it!!




I'd LOVE her to have another race here and be proper acclimatised.

 

Disagree Toppy, most of those races were a complete joke. 1-33 come on. Shetland pony stuff.
I would have said she found very very little when asked (as evidenced by alot of her other performances). She would only have won 1/2 a length max. She was completely emptied (as confirmed by the jockey). Good engine, no turn or foot.