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2014 technical rules relvealed
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This is the FIA. We've read you're mocking comments, and have sentenced you to 50 hours in a room with jonathan Legard, and no weapons are allowed.
I like the current front wing, in a weird way it could be considered an artform.
Just seen this on the BBC, it's been up since Monday so sorry if it's been mentioned. I was thinking this was all signed and sealed. I'm surprised that cost is an issue here, Mercedes say the cost will come down year on year, so presumably the increased cost will be the manufacturers wanting to offset their research and development costs. As they've progressed so far with the new engines if they were abandoned now they'd still want to recoup their wasted money, so they'll increase the cost of the V8's anyway surely?
imo posatives
I preferred the "balanced" look of the cars before 2009, where the front and rear wings were the same sizes and the same with the tyres.
I think the front and rear wings of 06,7,8 looked soooo much better than 2009 onwards, so I like the idea of smaller front wings.
I also like the idea of more powerful KERS.
Drivers being able to turn their own cars on, kinda lends more viability/respect to it
imo negatives
weaker engines, why must F1 cars become slower and slower each year?
no fuel use in the pitlane - don't see the need for this.
heavier cars - don't see the need for this either, and doesn't this make them slower still?
unsure about
extra gear. I find this to be the most intruiging one. I don't know what the effect will be.
I assume this will make the cars ever so slightly faster? Perhaps give the teams more freedom on gear ratios in a grand prix weekend?
If so then I approve.
I preferred the "balanced" look of the cars before 2009, where the front and rear wings were the same sizes and the same with the tyres.
I think the front and rear wings of 06,7,8 looked soooo much better than 2009 onwards, so I like the idea of smaller front wings.
I also like the idea of more powerful KERS.
Drivers being able to turn their own cars on, kinda lends more viability/respect to it
imo negatives
weaker engines, why must F1 cars become slower and slower each year?
no fuel use in the pitlane - don't see the need for this.
heavier cars - don't see the need for this either, and doesn't this make them slower still?
unsure about
extra gear. I find this to be the most intruiging one. I don't know what the effect will be.
I assume this will make the cars ever so slightly faster? Perhaps give the teams more freedom on gear ratios in a grand prix weekend?
If so then I approve.
Why must the cars always be slower nearly each year ?. They are way behind the 04 prime days, next they will be slower than Moto GP.
I know, ever since 2009 I believe they have got slower each year.
2009 -> 2010 no refueling, cars 6 seconds slower at start of race
2010 -> 2011 no double diffuser, weaker tyres, heavier cars
2011 -> 2012 no EBD, weaker tyres
2014 weaker engines and heavier cars.
2009 -> 2010 no refueling, cars 6 seconds slower at start of race
2010 -> 2011 no double diffuser, weaker tyres, heavier cars
2011 -> 2012 no EBD, weaker tyres
2014 weaker engines and heavier cars.
Last year's cars set a few lap records in quali, they have to keep restricting the cars to stop them getting too fast for the circuits.
LOL, they've got a huge way to go before they become that slow (on lap time)
Anyway, perhaps MotoGP and F1 are having a contest to see who can create the slowest top level championship.
Still think the FIA are missing a trick. Why not say he's 120 litres (or whatever) of fuel, use as much revs and boost as you want but your not getting any more fuel. Then you'll see more bang for less buck
Some interesting posts in this thread but I have no time to respond to anything more at the moment.
Hmm⦠'funding'. The relative division of finance (prize monies etc.). Now you've given me something to dream on. Goodnightâ¦
You are a purist BLS! However, the answer is also relatively simple: development costs would spiral (for those who could afford it) and large inequalities between teams would be a near-certain outcome, with a potential drop in audiences which ultimately fund it!
Hmm⦠'funding'. The relative division of finance (prize monies etc.). Now you've given me something to dream on. Goodnightâ¦
Just place snipers at the facility and if they see anyone going to ask for more money after say £10m then, you know
In a related story:
Renault to decide in September about customer teams' supply for 2014 season
They are also getting their test engine on a dyno in the coming weeks but I doubt they'll own up to the power
Renault to decide in September about customer teams' supply for 2014 season
Renault said:
They are also getting their test engine on a dyno in the coming weeks but I doubt they'll own up to the power
Yes, although the ratios will of course be less circuit-specific –but even then, the extra gear will nullify that to some extent.
At that rate, I'll see if I can enter my Honda Accord in 2020... only issue, I'm not great at remembering tracks, hopefully thats where the Sat Nav should come in handy!
Which track has seen no changes for the longest period of time? That should give us a rough idea of how the cars have evolved over the years. Granted it'll be skewed due to weather/circuit type/incidents etc but it should give a general idea.
e.g. At Spa since 2007 pole's and fastest laps have been
2007: 1:45.994 & 1:48.036
2008: 1:47.338 & 1:47.930
2009: 1:46.308 & 1:47.263
2010: 1:45.778 & 1:49.069
2011: 1:48.298 & 1:49.883 - damp quali
e.g. At Spa since 2007 pole's and fastest laps have been
2007: 1:45.994 & 1:48.036
2008: 1:47.338 & 1:47.930
2009: 1:46.308 & 1:47.263
2010: 1:45.778 & 1:49.069
2011: 1:48.298 & 1:49.883 - damp quali
I did this last night for Montreal and last year's were the quickest since 2005, this year's was faster than everything since 2006 bar last year if I remember rightly. 2004 was generally the quickest the cars ever got and I think the pole time was only about 1.5 seconds off.
Apparently Interlagos has been the same since 1990 except for new surfaces (which granted can be major improvements) so.... <style type="text/css">
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<tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>year</th><th>pole</th><th>Fastest lap</th></tr> <tr><td>1990</td><td>1.17.277</td><td>1.19.899</td></tr> <tr><td>1991</td><td>1.16.392</td><td>1.20.436</td></tr> <tr><td>1992</td><td>1.15.703</td><td>1.19.490</td></tr> <tr><td>1993</td><td>1.15.866</td><td>1.20.024</td></tr> <tr><td>1994</td><td>1.15.962</td><td>1.18.455</td></tr> <tr><td>1995</td><td>1.20.081</td><td>1.20.921</td></tr> <tr><td>1996</td><td>1.18.111</td><td>1.21.547</td></tr> <tr><td>1997</td><td>1.16.004</td><td>1.18.397</td></tr> <tr><td>1998</td><td>1.17.092</td><td>1.19.337</td></tr> <tr><td>1999</td><td>1.16.568</td><td>1.18.448</td></tr> <tr><td>2000</td><td>1.14.111</td><td>1.14.755</td></tr> <tr><td>2001</td><td>1.13.780</td><td>1.15.693</td></tr> <tr><td>2002</td><td>1.13.114</td><td>1.16.079</td></tr> <tr><td>2003</td><td>1.13.807</td><td>1.22.032</td></tr> <tr><td>2004</td><td>1.10.646</td><td>1.11.473</td></tr> <tr><td>2005</td><td>1.11.988</td><td>1.12.268</td></tr> <tr><td>2006</td><td>1.10.680</td><td>1.12.162</td></tr> <tr><td>2007</td><td>1.11.931</td><td>1.12.445</td></tr> <tr><td>2008</td><td>1.12.368</td><td>1.13.736</td></tr> <tr><td>2009</td><td>1.19.576</td><td>1.13.733</td></tr> <tr><td>2010</td><td>1.14.470</td><td>1.13.851</td></tr> <tr><td>2011</td><td>1.11.918</td><td>1.15.324</td></tr></table>
Ignoring weather as I can't be bothered Quali times peaked in 2004-2006 a whopping
1.3s faster than 2011 whilst the fastest laps peaked in 2004 some 4s faster than now (we are currently equivalent to ~2000)
Technically interesting and extremely challenging for the engineers, but somewhat unimaginative from an entertainment aspect, not sure Bernies F1 fan base and viewing figures will escalate, and finally, why only 120 kw of KERs, much less noise, one of the main reasons F1 is so exciting and more gears, although I guess some of these aspects may eventually have road car uses.
I am intrigued from an engineering point of view, but overall as a 'die hard' F1 fan, just a bit 'YEA BUT'
I am intrigued from an engineering point of view, but overall as a 'die hard' F1 fan, just a bit 'YEA BUT'