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Aaron Ramsey.....

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Arsenal87, Apr 12, 2012.

  1. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    He is more of a number 10 now. I have him indoctrinated with the belief that DB10 is the greatest player ever to grace the earth. He is very unhappy that the current coach's son has the #10 and he has to wear #9.
     
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  2. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    Tell him to always SHOOT and never PASS.
     
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  3. The Bonstar Wandit

    The Bonstar Wandit Well-Known Member

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    he'll never make it at Arsenal if you indoctrinate him with such ridiculous nonsense!!
     
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  4. Crikey, this Ramsey debate just keeps on trucking.

    It's interesting that some think he is brilliant and has had a good season. I would suggest that this view is an over reaction to defend Ramsey against others' overly negative view.

    Ramsey has had a poor season overall, but he did indeed play better against Wolves. Whilst he has talent I don't think we can say whether he will ever be 'great'. Those that argue that he will be great in two years are not really doing anything other than saying they hope so - they can't possibly know. I think every Gooner on this board would hope he becomes great - and it is possible.

    As I said I do think Ramsey has the talent, but there is a reason he is getting stick (some of it unfairly). It's because he is one of our weakest players this year.

    Piskie - not a dig - but passing accuracy on it's own as a stat means nothing. Denilson has great passing stats (best in the league during his time here - or close to it). He is however not going to ever make it at Arsenal.

    I would send Ramsey out on loan and let him get regular first team football, score a few goals, prove himself, and get his confidence back. Let him learn without weakening our first team.
     
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  5. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    Not a problem, believe me.
     
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  6. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Aye It was only in response to saying he always gives the ball away and has forgotten how to pass.

    I think we all pretty much agree that he's a player who could be a big name at Arsenal.
     
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  7. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    It'll piss off the others no end!!
     
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  8. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    TT wants him to be paid mega bucks - no chance with us.
     
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  9. Get him to watch this video - and just say "Now go do that son" <ok>

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drScL8q956o
     
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  10. Arsenal87

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    I don't think Ramsey had a good game, but assuming he did, I don't think it works in his favour, we had the game won in 11 minutes, we were playing a terrible Wolves side that had lost 6 in a row (we made it 7), they are relegation material, and just to make it better, they were down to 10 men, the game was well and truly over. It was really more like an exhibition game than a proper PL match, if you were at the game you would appreciate that point much more, it was well and truly like an exhibition game with the atmosphere of their crowd etc, so Ramsey doing good in a game like this really says a lot then doesn't it? And not in a good way! In other words, Ramsey will have a good performance against a completely sh!t side that's reduced to 10 men!

    And I must say again, I thought he had another sh!t performance, with another easy chance wasted, look at how Benayoun scored, and Ramsey had an easier chance and completely wasted it, just like he did against City, and Everton away.
     
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  11. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    The chance wasn't easy, the keeper was right on top of him. He didn't make a bad effort at it. Certainly not the worst miss of the three.

    I agree that Wolves were very poor, but singling Ramsey out in any way after this game is just not fair. He was no better or worse than any of the players on balance. I keep telling people it is a team game. It was a solid team performance and I think it was just a question of, job done and let's move on.

    Trying to get on Ramsey's back or drawing any conclusions from the game is over-analysis. We are not going to drop or promote players based on how they played in that game.
     
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  12. Arsenal87

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    Ramsey shouldn't have been starting ahead of Rosicky.
     
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  13. lazarus20000

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    Only reason for it was to rest Rosicky or that he was carrying a knock. Until we secure 3rd or are winning a game comfortably should Ramsey be coming on. I understand we need to keep Ramsey playing but not at the risk of losing 3rd. We don't want unneccessary Champions league qualification!
     
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  14. ToledoTrumpton

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    I think we are talking about different misses. I was talking about the wolves game. The City miss was worse but there is no way he should have passed to RVP. I think you are one of the first to complain about us trying to pass it into the net, he was absolutely in the best place to put it away. That is why it was a bad miss. I am afraid he made a golfer's mistake and lifted his head.
     
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  15. Kyle?

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    All i got from that was that Ramsey was ****e against Wolves
     
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  16. Arsegun

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    90% passing backwards, forward passes misplaced, kicking the ball out of play, terrible shooting. And it was all against a 10-man defeated Wolves team. That will make anyone look good. You know I'm not a Ramsey hater from my previous posts, but don't try to tell me he's improving on the basis of that performance. The opposition made him look slightly better is all.
     
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  17. Arsenal87

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    I didn't see anything impressive, he still had a sh!te performance.
     
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  18. Ramsey had a pretty decent second half, and a pretty average first half.

    He certainly wasn't **** against Wolves.

    Can't we just judge him on his performances and be honest?

    His supporters sounds silly when they say he is brilliant to try and make a point when he clearly hasn't played brilliantly. On the flip side, when he does ok, it sounds silly to say he played ****. It feels like people are letting past form and preconceptions cloud judgement.
     
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  19. Bergkamp a Dutch master

    Bergkamp a Dutch master New Member

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    exactly. He was always a great prospect - he's had great games.
    Recently he was put in a stress situation and he has lost form. I'd rather he was rested, if possible thru' to the next season.
    I'm confident he will become very good again. But keeping playing him is more likely to do harm at the moment.
     
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  20. Arsenal4life

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    Ramsey might be good...just not for arsenal. He slows the game down too much. Takes a ton of touches, runs into dead ends and doesnt have any pace or creativity.

    No coincidence that our good form started when ramsey got injured and wenger was forced to start rosicky.
     
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