Pardew has never handled big players, nor has he any experience juggling the CL and the PL, even Harry found that difficult. A good run with a half decent side is no grounds for your bigging him up as you have.
-
Please bear with us on the new site integration and fixing any known bugs over the coming days. If you can not log in please try resetting your password and check your spam box. If you have tried these steps and are still struggling email [email protected] with your username/registered email address
-
Pardew has never handled big players, nor has he any experience juggling the CL and the PL, even Harry found that difficult. A good run with a half decent side is no grounds for your bigging him up as you have.
Good points there man. I can see what you mean. Oh wait, there were no points.
I was going to write an in-depth reply until I read this. If I knew you were just making stuff up on the spot and plucking assumptions (sorry, guarantees
) out of thin air, then I wouldn't have even bothered reading it.He's proven himself capable of doing everything I've stated in that list. It can't be argued against, really. He's done it over the course of the entire season, some things more than once.
Once again, we're 5 points behind you with the team we have. I'd ask you to consider how much better he could have done with a side of Spurs' quality. What do you think?
Now you're getting defensive and naive, thats a lethal combination there mate.
Talking of assumptions, the biggest one here is that you're assuming Pardew can make the step up and manage a club in the top four and keep them there and also you're assuming Pardew has the ability to walk into a club with a top class squad and manage them.
He has no experience of this so you may like re-write your "big reply" and we can be blown away by all your "facts" which prove (without any assumptions) Pardew can make the step up.
This is not how football works, i don't know how old you are but it may be due to your age.
If a manager excels at managing a average squad and gets them to punch above their weight, this does not mean he can then take that management style to a squad of higher quality and get them to achieve.
I think Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa are as good a front line as there is in the Prem League and I assume Pardew had some input in putting them together.
Newcastle have a good first XI, but not much depth.
They have a strong spine, good balance and just about enough goalscorers.
Pardew's yet to show that he can deal with a big squad.
Redknapp's struggled badly with it, in my opinion, getting some great performances from our best players, but alienating others completely and failing to rotate often enough.
This has lead to our first team running out of steam and our back-up either becoming totally disinterested and wanting to leave or losing all match fitness and sharpness.
He runs the side on about 15 players, only changing things when he absolutely has to.
If Newcastle do make it into Europe, as is looking increasingly likely, then Pardew's ability to deal with this situation will be properly tested.
His only other European test was as the manager of West Ham in 06/07, where they embarrassed themselves badly, losing 4-0 on aggregate to Palermo and failing miserably on the domestic front, too.
He was sacked in early December.
Can he prove that he's up to the task or will he flop again?
Time will tell.
They have a strong spine, good balance and just about enough goalscorers.
Pardew's yet to show that he can deal with a big squad.
Redknapp's struggled badly with it, in my opinion, getting some great performances from our best players, but alienating others completely and failing to rotate often enough.
This has lead to our first team running out of steam and our back-up either becoming totally disinterested and wanting to leave or losing all match fitness and sharpness.
He runs the side on about 15 players, only changing things when he absolutely has to.
If Newcastle do make it into Europe, as is looking increasingly likely, then Pardew's ability to deal with this situation will be properly tested.
His only other European test was as the manager of West Ham in 06/07, where they embarrassed themselves badly, losing 4-0 on aggregate to Palermo and failing miserably on the domestic front, too.
He was sacked in early December.
Can he prove that he's up to the task or will he flop again?
Time will tell.
"He's proven himself capable of doing everything I've stated in that list. It can't be argued against, really. He's done it over the course of the entire season, some things more than once"
....Wow!
"Once again, we're 5 points behind you with the team we have. I'd ask you to consider how much better he could have done with a side of Spurs' quality. What do you think?"
...I think you haven't got a clue how to compare. Our manager has had a health issue, an unnecessary court case, and been tapped up for England, yet we're still 5pts clear of you punching above your weight. Dream on mate, dream on.
The Boss,Chappaz is naive and I'm immature according to you,you really like this air of superiority that you think you have don't you? But I agree with your comments about Pardew. Spurs are a club with much higher expectations than Newcastle because we've been vastly more successful than they over the years. They will accept anybody managing them but we won't. Pardew would never lead us to the CL semis or anything near.
No assumptions here at all. I'm simply stating what Pardew has proven he can do in defence of him being swept aside. I cannot say for sure whether Pardew would succeed or not, unlike you with your 'guarantees' that he will fail which have been plucked out of thin air.
You seem to enjoy pulling the 'naive' and 'age' cards out more than most I've seen. I'm not sure why that is.
But it is exactly how football works. It's fairly straightforward. He's achieved joint 5th with our team, so what could he have done with a team which has much better quality in the side?
Of course there are no guarantees, as certain managers can do very well with one team but poorly with another. However, you are the one 'guaranteeing' that Pardew would falter (or will falter), whilst I'm simply defending his skillset against those who have swept him aside with a "he is not good enough" comment based on nothing whatsoever. I think you're the naive one.
You can always spot the folk who are too lacking in mental ability to write a proper reply in defence of their points. How embarrassing.
Not so smart spur indeed.
I agree. I honestly would never say for sure how Pardew would perform. However, all I do know is that he's proven that he has a certain skillset which makes him a good manager. His tactics, team selections and man management have been superb, even when managing some hostile characters such as Ben Arfa (the French international who's went on strike at two clubs, had fights at virtually every club he's been in and honestly seems like far more of a pain in the arse than any Spurs player I've seen).
I'm honestly amazed that some people are so quick to dismiss managers like Pardew. As far as I'm aware, Redknapp had no prior experience of dealing with big-name players or European tournaments, yet look at him now. This current Newcastle side has been built on the principle of unearthing those hidden gems instead of spending a fortune on the big-names, who can honestly sometimes be just as prima-donna as the players they're trying to manage. I wouldn't be so hasty to dismiss the idea.
H
Hoddle is a god
Guest
Anyone who denies that Pardew is doing a superb job is permitting irrational bias to cloud their judgement.
As regards whether or not Pardew would succeed at Spurs, who knows? Unless he's given a chance, we'll never know.
Personally, I think Spurs and Toon have a lot in common. Each club is probably similar in terms of size and set-up, and each play a similar style of football. We've been fortunate in that we've had the most recent successes, but it's probably the case that, overall, the Toon have had more success than us in the history of the EPL, and should have won the title under Keagan. I think it is a little arrogant of us to assume that Pardew would not succeed at Spurs.
I'd prefer Pardew to Moyes, or any other British manager (baring Harry, of course), if we cannot secure the services of a Mourhino/Hiddink type.
As regards whether or not Pardew would succeed at Spurs, who knows? Unless he's given a chance, we'll never know.
Personally, I think Spurs and Toon have a lot in common. Each club is probably similar in terms of size and set-up, and each play a similar style of football. We've been fortunate in that we've had the most recent successes, but it's probably the case that, overall, the Toon have had more success than us in the history of the EPL, and should have won the title under Keagan. I think it is a little arrogant of us to assume that Pardew would not succeed at Spurs.
I'd prefer Pardew to Moyes, or any other British manager (baring Harry, of course), if we cannot secure the services of a Mourhino/Hiddink type.
I think us mags have just honestly learned our lesson from when Pardew was first appointed. We all hated the idea and thought he was a nobody, yet we've now been forced to eat our words. That's perhaps why I'm so defensive when some have dismissed him without even a second thought based almost entirely on the fact that he isn't a big name manager. We were all saying the same thing and we were utterly wrong.
I think he'd do a good job for Spurs, considering what he's done for us. He would get the tactics right (most of the time, but no one is perfect), get the team playing for each other, get good value for money in the transfer market and take absolutely no **** whatsoever from some of the more difficult players. Don't forget that Pardew is managing a team where there are plenty of players who could probably play for a better team at a higher level, such as Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye, Coloccini, Krul and so on. Many of whom are currently sought after. That really isn't easy to do.
Odd isn't it? A couple of years ago there was talk of Harry going to Newcastle, presumably because it was a bigger job. If that was the case why would Pardew want to come to Spurs? If that WASN'T the case why would Spurs want Pardew?
This is not a big club small club argument though. Newcastle is a big club. But last year they finished twelfth and the year before they were not in the Prem. Agreed that was not under pardew's tenure, but one successful season does not a great manager make. No offence to the Toon, I am glad they are doing well and let's face it, the Prem is always better with them, but surely if HR goes we need to be looking up a level (surely even on experience alone, Pardew is not on Harry's level?) rather than a plucky improver? More than I ever remember, we are at a crossroads as a club. I hope we take the right road which to me is spending top dollar on a manager from the upper echelons of the game.
This is not a big club small club argument though. Newcastle is a big club. But last year they finished twelfth and the year before they were not in the Prem. Agreed that was not under pardew's tenure, but one successful season does not a great manager make. No offence to the Toon, I am glad they are doing well and let's face it, the Prem is always better with them, but surely if HR goes we need to be looking up a level (surely even on experience alone, Pardew is not on Harry's level?) rather than a plucky improver? More than I ever remember, we are at a crossroads as a club. I hope we take the right road which to me is spending top dollar on a manager from the upper echelons of the game.
Understand a lot of arguments about Pardew here. I can kind of see why a lot of folk don't like him, and he does have a history of making a great start at clubs and it falling apart, and his wag-shagging and goading of Wenger won't have exactly ingratiated himself with some but what he has done here is on a different scale and generally he has handled himself almost impeccably in what was at first a very difficult situation for him to walk into. He hasn't been totally perfect but tactically he's got a hell of a lot more right than wrong in his time here.
I think some people are just being a little harsh on him and are not forthcoming enough with their praise. At the beginning of the season it was "I bet it all falls apart by Christmas," at Christmas it was "well it's only been half a season" and now we're nearly at the 50 point mark with 8 to go and even if we lose every game from now on we'll still have had a great season it's "it could just be a flukey season". The man deserves a lot of credit, and this is coming from a Toon fan who was initially repulsed by his appointment. Spurs could do a lot worse than Pardiola.
I think some people are just being a little harsh on him and are not forthcoming enough with their praise. At the beginning of the season it was "I bet it all falls apart by Christmas," at Christmas it was "well it's only been half a season" and now we're nearly at the 50 point mark with 8 to go and even if we lose every game from now on we'll still have had a great season it's "it could just be a flukey season". The man deserves a lot of credit, and this is coming from a Toon fan who was initially repulsed by his appointment. Spurs could do a lot worse than Pardiola.
Fella, Wenger baiting managers are doing a fine job according to most folk here. Maybe if he had another season of success there, it would be a better fit, but right now the timing is all wrong. Anyway I am sure you want to keep hold of him. After all you need stability, not yet another managerial change.
Listen mate, I don't call you naive as an insult, its just the way you come across so calling me naive in return is just like hearing a little boy shout words back, it doesn't mean much.
Also you're now contradicting yourself as you say
With the words before that
Then we get
So in essence we see you try to combat my point but then at you end you agree with me (without realising).
Anyhow, time and patience is often needed to prove points correct so this time next season you will realise I was correct, in the mean time you can tell us your love for Pardew and talk about his great management skills (which once lead Charlton to 11th in the championship).
I highly, highly doubt it would ever happen. I'm just speaking hypothetically
It depends on your definition of 'looking up a level'. Even some of the top managers in the game may flounder just as easily as some managers further down the pecking order. Sometimes you get a good fit, sometimes you don't. I personally think you would be better off with a manager like Pardew, as you don't seem to have the spending-power or wage-power as teams like Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea. For that reason, value for money buys would be essential.
You also have to look at some of the top managers like Mourinho. Virtually every big team he's managed has given him huge budgets, and he's been used to the spending power of Chelsea, Internazionale and Real Madrid since 2006, so bringing someone like him in on a comparatively smaller budget would be a risk.
Oh it means a lot. You're having a go at me for thinking that Pardew might be good enough to guide Spurs, yet you're instantly dismissing him with a 'guarantee' that he's going to fail in the near future?
Naive might be the wrong word. Hypocritical could be better.
Not at all. I think he could do the job, but I'm quite clearly stating that I do not know 100%. You, on the other hand, are dismissing him with a guarantee that he would fail, which is ridiculous as you have no sure idea at all.
For someone who acts so arrogant and 'high and mighty' you are remarkably immature. If you aren't a teenager I'll be astonished.
Chappaz - I think you've offered a hell of a better argument for your case than some of the people arguing against you. Even if you've not reached the mighty milestone of years which some on here have (I heard that some people here are IN THEIR TWENTIES!). Please don't judge all the Spurs fans on here by their responses.
Basically I have to agree with PNP - which is to say I'd like to sit on the fence. Pardew has shown a lot of the qualities that you mention (Barton and Nolan, for example, were "big players" at Newcastle, contrary to what some have said, and he showed strength there) and yes - that may well translate well to a club like Spurs. But I'd like to see how he gets on next season.
But put it this way - Spurs have a God-awful record at appointing managers since Venables. So frankly I would be no more pessimistic about Pardew than about almost anyone else. Managers who looked great on paper have bombed, managers who looked weird on paper have bombed and a couple (Jol, Redknapp) have succeeded beyond all hope. So who the hell knows how he would do.
I guarantee that no one knows.
Basically I have to agree with PNP - which is to say I'd like to sit on the fence. Pardew has shown a lot of the qualities that you mention (Barton and Nolan, for example, were "big players" at Newcastle, contrary to what some have said, and he showed strength there) and yes - that may well translate well to a club like Spurs. But I'd like to see how he gets on next season.
But put it this way - Spurs have a God-awful record at appointing managers since Venables. So frankly I would be no more pessimistic about Pardew than about almost anyone else. Managers who looked great on paper have bombed, managers who looked weird on paper have bombed and a couple (Jol, Redknapp) have succeeded beyond all hope. So who the hell knows how he would do.
I guarantee that no one knows.
You being so defensive means this is going over your head as this has nothing to do with him not being a big name.
Harry Redknapp had no previous experience of managing a team into the champions league yet he was the perfect choice for our club at the time as when arry arrived at the club, the expectations were much less. In fact he had nothing to lose and gew in the job and his talents as a manager just worked perfectly, hence us now being seen as a top four club but not good enough to make the step up, yet.
Pardew isn't suited to our ambitions and the reason you're being called naive, is that you believe after 30 games he has proved that he could take a club like spurs into the champions league, get them to a champions league semi final and help us keep Modric & Bale.
To improve on this, if arry leaves, we require a manager that can not just match arry, but also take us further and to suggest Pardew, is laughable if we're actually having a serious discussion on this topic.