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Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by BrightLampShade, Mar 4, 2012.

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Who claims first blood?

Poll closed Mar 14, 2012.
  1. Vettel

    28.6%
  2. Webber

    6.1%
  3. Button

    14.3%
  4. Hamilton

    34.7%
  5. Alonso

    2.0%
  6. Massa

    2.0%
  7. Rosberg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Schumacher

    2.0%
  9. Riakkonen

    8.2%
  10. Grosjean

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. di Resta

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Hulkenberg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Kobayashi

    2.0%
  14. Perez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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  2. genjigonzales

    genjigonzales Active Member

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    Well, that's positive. Hopefully they'll increase race usage of DRS on last year's at each track.

    It looks the most obvious but those arrangements can end up simply giving the chasing driver an extra boost to pull away in the second zone, assuming a single detection zone. I'd like to see it somewhere else, like after Turn 12.
     
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  3. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    What about the back curve around the lake between Clark and Waite?
     
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  4. Drudeboy

    Drudeboy Well-Known Member

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    i hate these drs zones. sure they add overtaking, but mainly its just breezing past on the str8, while ppl stop trying to overtake going into the corners, which was brilliant.
     
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  5. cosicave

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    Ideally, DRS zones would be 'disconnected' - that is: not in consecutive zones. Ideally, this increases the chance of overtakes in two (or more) parts of the track, without increasing the chance of a successful overtaker to run away (which flies in the face of its own philosophy) by virtue of having DRS still active for a while after an overtake has occurred.

    However, the whole nature(?- sic) of an artificially imposed DRS, is that it needs to be uniquely tailored to each circuit, which will necessarily result in anomalies; extra, 'artificial' differences between circuits, according to whim rather than physical factors - whereas previously, differences between circuits were entirely physical.

    What do I mean by that?
    Well, of course, all circuits have unique topography; but artificial methods which are imposed upon existing topography render these artificial methods themselves as an extra topographical consideration of the circuit! In other words, any circuit can be rendered into more than one version of itself (as far as a driver is concerned) without changing any of its pre-existing physical characteristics!
    - - - o0o - - -

    Ever since its introduction, I have held a somewhat Jekyll and Hyde opinion of DRS. There is surely no doubt that it has succeeded in offsetting the effects of the extreme aerodynamics which rendered overtaking an ever more rare event. But so long as its use is imposed from some external agency (i.e. not entirely a matter of driver discretion), it will remain a glorified gimmick of remote control of the drivers!


    It is a bit like a variable speed limit - instead of the ideal where one leaves the choice of speed entirely to driver discretion.
    But its net effect has been beneficial to F1. Therefore, it is
    F1's Jekyll and Hyde…
     
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  6. RoadRunner

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  7. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I think this is a very good call Ninja; a very popular move with all but the Spanish F1 supporters. Globally, it has met with considerable approval!
     
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  8. TomTom94

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    I think I agree with the principle of Valencia every two years, but I will just post this, which is what I posted on another forum concerning the news:

     
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  9. genjigonzales

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    Anyway, back to the Australian GP...

    I considered that but I reckon the curviness would put the FIA off. I'd go along with it on preference because I think that would push the boundaries of what is considered a safe deployment zone but I'd be surprised if the FIA is that brave yet.
     
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  10. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    I'd think they should put it in Malaysia. <ok>
     
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  11. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't DRS available down the back straight by the lake last season, or was that just my imagination?
     
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  12. EternalMSC

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    Probably remembering Qualifying.
     
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  13. TomTom94

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    You're right, we didn't have two DRS zones until later on in the season. Anyway, that's what would make sense, one down the pit straight, one down the back straight, completely independent of one another.
     
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  14. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    was it Canada the first double DRS zone? I seem to recall it gave the overtaking car a ridiculously huge advantage when DRSing through the 2nd zone. 2 DRS zones should mean 2 detection zones as I thought the Canada DRS set-up was one of the worst of the year.
     
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  15. Di Resta is faster than u

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  16. Delete Me

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    Hands in pocket for me means he is being defensive about himself. When he starts to talk about someone else, like the queen for instance, he takes his hands out of his pockets and seems more excited with his hands to talk about it and does a few Tony Blair moves.

    The split second Jake mentions "F1 driver" again, Lewis puts his hands back in his pocket and will shrug from time to time.


    The hands cannot lie!!!!
     
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  17. genjigonzales

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    That's very interesting, silver. I hope you'll give us a bit more observational assessment throughout the season.
     
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  18. Delete Me

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    To keep it equal:
    Silverstone 2011
    [video=youtube;lmZXaRBQP0E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmZXaRBQP0E[/video]

    0:56, scratches his neck when he first mentions Mark, means he was annoyed quite likely as he didn't follow team orders.

    I cant see his hands but he does seem to be focused eye to eye with the person interviewing him far more than Lewis in the last one so for me that says he believes in himself has done nothing wrong so doesnt have to avoid eye contact every second.

    2:21 He scratches his neck again, meaning he didn't really enjoy the race and being stuck behind Lewis in his eyes ****ed up his race.

    Goes back to talking about Webber, keeps eye contact for most of it so he believes in himself that he made the right call demanding Webber to keep the gap as no improvement would come from it if they did fight on track. He also does some small shrugging at the same time meaning he doesn't know what was going on, probably doesnt understand why Webber wanted to fight at the end if good points were already in the bag maybe.

    4:41 Scratches his nose because of how quick Ferrari were that race, so he must of been annoyed about the regulation changes possibly affecting his title chances and which were not being set in stone which looks here pisses him off.

    5:07 Rubs his eye, he feels back then that RBR arn't doing enough to keep the car adavantage.

    Towards the end he raises his eyebrows so he must feel suprised how quickly Ferrari and McLaren have caught them up while RBR looked to have stalled with developments.

    Basically his body temperature rises when he becomes annoyed which makes his hands compulsive to rub or scratch certain areas of his face.
     
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  19. genjigonzales

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    It'd make a fascinating season-long thread supported by post race interview videos from Sky and the BBC.
     
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  20. Delete Me

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    To be honest this Fernando Alonso video while testing, I could make it sound quiet scary. His body is arched, either meaning he is angry, upset or irritated by something happening now.

    [video=youtube;Oc9JpLlJE5Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc9JpLlJE5Y[/video]

    (0:08) Scratches eye, he is annoyed, must feel they havent learned much.

    At (0:10) he brings up about a "new philosophy in Ferrari compared to the past couple of years" and then shakes his head which says to me that he feels is going in the wrong direction and isn't working.

    He actually shrugs when he says "the car is positive" (0:41) that is ****ing scary as it's pretty much saying he doesn't know. But seemed very adament a few seconds before to sort it out quickly when he talks about "improvements" and he also moved his body quickly at (0:36) "the right feeling", meaning he wants to get it done sooner than later.

    He also licks his lips at (0:43), meaning he is telling a lie and testing was not positive for him.

    He also never keeps solid eye contact with the interviewer, he keeps moving his eyes which for me means he has no confidence, is on the defense and not trying to get caught out.
     
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