I do agree with the above to a certain extent. I don't see why Fergie got one??
One thing I would say is was Quinn not the first footballer to give all his testimonial money to charity??? which has paved the way for most pro's to do the same?
Sir Niall Quinn - making it happen?
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I do agree with the above to a certain extent. I don't see why Fergie got one??
One thing I would say is was Quinn not the first footballer to give all his testimonial money to charity??? which has paved the way for most pro's to do the same?
Thing is Steve - you are agreeing with his point about the knighthood - but you didn't add on the "Shearer should get one and Bobby Robson is more of a legend" part to wind up us Sunderland fans - Chappaz did!
Stupid thing is he can be quite civil sometimes but then has the mad half hour like on this thread in which he has pissed off some people. I agree with you (and him) about the knighthoods but to bring Shearer up is totally out of order
Foregoing cash to charity from one match isn't a groundbreaking trend. Thousands of people literally donate millions of pounds to charity, millions they have earned, and I can't really see why WHERE it's donated from should make such a difference? Whether you've earned it from one testimonial game, or earned it over months of footballing wages, if you donate a million quid to charity, then you donate a million quid to charity.
Yeah it's appealing, even to me, but there's a big difference between him having a respected approach and being given a knighthood by Britain.
And I don't know why he did it. Probably a mixture of things. It was for the good of the club, he wants the best for the club, and it was his job at the time.
But to be fair though, Quinn was the Director of International Development, so should he really be given a KNIGHTHOOD for basically doing his job as he was supposed to do anyway? How many medals would we dish out if that was a factor?
I would have loved someone like Quinn at our club, of course. I respect the bloke, I think his honour should be upgraded, but I just don't think he deserves a knighthood. He's only 45, and he simply hasn't done enough (yet).
And it's well worth comparing him to someone like Sir Bobby, because it highlights what SHOULD really be required for a knighthood. Over 50 years in the business, influencing English football down to its very core, inspiring so many players across Europe and becoming one of the most iconic and respected men in the world of football. In my view, he only just deserves a knighthood, so why would I personally put Quinn on the same level? He's done a lot and he has been honoured for it already, but not enough for a knighthood.
As for Fred Goodwin, it's worth looking at the facts. At the time he was awarded his knighthood, he had managed RBS, a quite small British bank, and turned it into the WORLD'S largest company at almost £2trillion in asset value, and the 5th largest bank in the world by stock market value. Whilst no one could have known the future, at the time of his knighthood, his contributions to British banking were frankly incredible. That's why he got a knighthood at the time, and that's why it was rightly annulled when he cocked everything up later on.
Probably because of how he has represented English football on the world stage.
And also, his influence in the sport. After so many years at the top, so many years with different teams and so many football titles, if you asked any manager how they would like to manage a club, they would probably say that they'd like to manage it like Sir Alex.
Uhm, to be fair, MONsMush mentioned brought Sir Bobby into this before I did. My first post in this thread was asking about what Quinn has done to deserve it, then he was compared with Sir Bobby completely out of the blue, so what am I supposed to say if I think that Sir Bobby has contributed a lot more?
And the point about Shearer is a very valid one. They've both been major influences over our clubs and they've both done a lot of charity work, so they're both quite even in those respects. However, I wouldn't give Shearer a knighthood (yet) based on what he's done, so why would I give Quinn one?
As I said though, I didn't start the comparisons and had no intention of doing so. Go and read the thread from the start again.
No-one disagreesa about SBR - he is a true legend - but:
So you DID start the comparisons - all MONsMush did was say that what Quinny has done is similar to what SBR did - hi certainly did not bring up Shearer!!
So you brought up Shearer not to cause an argument but to make what uyou see as a valid point - bullshit!
Sorry Chappaz but I do often agree with your points on here but to bring up Shearer in the same breath as Niall Quinn is a joke
Shearer - Turned his back on his country at a young age
Shearer - Kicked a player in the head and held the FA to ransom over it
Shearer - Got Newcastle relegated
Shearer - Bad football pundit
Although the third thing in that list deserves an honour of some kind - point is that Quinny doesn't have these things in him - Shearer always has
You brought Shearer up to cause hassle on the board and nothing else
So you DID start the comparisons - all MONsMush did was say that what Quinny has done is similar to what SBR did - hi certainly did not bring up Shearer!!
So you brought up Shearer not to cause an argument but to make what uyou see as a valid point - bullshit!
Sorry Chappaz but I do often agree with your points on here but to bring up Shearer in the same breath as Niall Quinn is a joke
Shearer - Turned his back on his country at a young age
Shearer - Kicked a player in the head and held the FA to ransom over it
Shearer - Got Newcastle relegated
Shearer - Bad football pundit
Although the third thing in that list deserves an honour of some kind - point is that Quinny doesn't have these things in him - Shearer always has
You brought Shearer up to cause hassle on the board and nothing else
Chapz has Mary Poppins raised your club from being in dire straits, up **** creek with out a paddle and staring the 3rd tier of english football in the face to being an established EPL club, raised the profile of an area put his heart and soul into the club and area. He was the first to give all his testimonial money to charity. He is still loved by Arsenal and Man City Fans, most people from football respect him from fans to managers Chairmen etc. even those from clubs who have a rivalary with the clubs he played for.
No he got you relegated is still a spiteful and bitter man who refused to wear a Sunderland top for charity and also refused to appear on Football Focus because it was being presented from the Stadium of Light.
No he got you relegated is still a spiteful and bitter man who refused to wear a Sunderland top for charity and also refused to appear on Football Focus because it was being presented from the Stadium of Light.
I didn't have any intention of bringing Shearer up, but then someone decided to compare Quinn to Sir Bobby, so I respectfully disagreed, but said that it would be fairer to compare Quinn to Shearer, as they're much more similar.
- Both of similar age and career spans
- Both major influences over North East clubs
- Both returned to try and help the club they love (one failed, one succeeded, but at least he returned and tried)
- Both fans of the clubs
- Both patrons of the Sir Bobby Foundation
- Both have donated considerable sums to charitable causes
If you take your Sunderland specs off for a minute and realise that they've both actually done very similar things, then you should ask yourself that if Quinn got a knighthood, then should Shearer get one as well?
I actually don't think Shearer deserves one, even though he was the captain of England and the PL all-time top goalscorer AS WELL, and that's my whole point. By logic, if some people think Quinn should be knighted, then they must think that Shearer should be as well, as their contributions to sport and charity are very similar. I think that's a very, very valid point.
Chap you can't compare Shearer to Quinn one is an arrogant, self serving, spiteful thug (for all the reasons quoted by me and others) the other is Universally respected by the Football Community.
Leave it out man will you? Knighthoods aren't rewarded depending on how many people LIKE someone. You're never going to like Shearer as a mackem, but to many people he's highly respected as one of the greatest players of our generation, England captain for many years and an absolute hero to Newcastle fans, as well as a hero to the thousands of people he has helped with his charity work.
But my point, which you seem to keep missing, is that I don't even think Shearer should be given a knighthood at the moment, even though I think he's contributed just as much charity as Quinn, and probably more in the field of English national sport. So if I think that, but I don't think he should be given a knighthood, why will I think Quinn deserves one?
Here's an idea which I've already mentioned. Shearer is an OBE, as is O'Neill and others. Why not focus on getting Quinn's MBE upgraded to an OBE?
So WHY the **** did you then? As you had no intention of bringin up Shearer why did you?
You did it as a Wind up as you are basically WUMMING a respect campaign for a legend of the game.
You did not have to bring him up but you somehow managed to find a way
My 1st post on here:
The reply:
My reply:
You see? I don't get what's so hard to understand.
Do you really think that football rivalry has anything to do with an honour as prestigious as a knighthood? Seriously? Do you think that Shearer considering Sunderland his rivals, or a bunch of blokes singing anti-Shearer songs, has jack **** to do with a knighthood?
But considering how much Shearer has done for charity, for local causes, raising millions, I'd suggest that you have absolutely no idea about 'what sort of person he is'.
Chappz this shows excatly the Kind of man Shearer is a spiteful and bitter man who refused to wear a Sunderland top for charity and also refused to appear on Football Focus because it was being presented from the Stadium of Light, Turned his back on his country at a young age, Kicked a player in the head and held the FA to ransom over it
So, 4 incidents in a 28 year career, these incidents being:
1). A Newcastle fan, long-term Newcastle player and Newcastle hero refusing to wear a Sunderland top
2). Refusing to appear on a football program
3). Quitting the England squad at a young age (funny you mention that just days after Quinn has quit Sunderland)
4). Kicked a player in the head, which he did admittedly do
Means that Shearer, his entire being and entire personality, is that of a spiteful and bitter man, and that all of his charity work counts for absolutely nothing?
So many
's I just don't know where to start.
So, 4 incidents in a 28 year career, these incidents being:
1). A Newcastle fan, long-term Newcastle player and Newcastle hero refusing to wear a Sunderland top
2). Refusing to appear on a football program
3). Quitting the England squad at a young age (funny you mention that just days after Quinn has quit Sunderland)
4). Kicked a player in the head, which he did admittedly do
Means that Shearer, his entire being and entire personality, is that of a spiteful and bitter man, and that all of his charity work counts for absolutely nothing?
So many
Sorry chappz but I'm not saying his charity work stands for nothing but those 4 things are what immediaetly sprung to mind and do show that he has a dark bitter and twisted side to his personality. Can you think of any similar incidents that Quinn has been involved in?
So, 4 incidents in a 28 year career, these incidents being:
1). A Newcastle fan, long-term Newcastle player and Newcastle hero refusing to wear a Sunderland top
2). Refusing to appear on a football program
3). Quitting the England squad at a young age (funny you mention that just days after Quinn has quit Sunderland)
4). Kicked a player in the head, which he did admittedly do
Means that Shearer, his entire being and entire personality, is that of a spiteful and bitter man, and that all of his charity work counts for absolutely nothing?
So many
What you fail to point out with the bold line is that he told the FA that he would quit international football if he got a ban for kicking someone in the head - not only putting a career in danger but a life - and he didn't get banned. That's the soert of person we want on the honours list isn't it!
My 1st post on here:
The reply:
My reply:
You see? I don't get what's so hard to understand.
Do you really think that football rivalry has anything to do with an honour as prestigious as a knighthood? Seriously? Do you think that Shearer considering Sunderland his rivals, or a bunch of blokes singing anti-Shearer songs, has jack **** to do with a knighthood?
But considering how much Shearer has done for charity, for local causes, raising millions, I'd suggest that you have absolutely no idea about 'what sort of person he is'.
No Football rivalry doesn;t have anything to do with it - but you have no right bringing up a person who is universally detested on the Sunderland board. Do all of your fans detest quinny? I doubt it - majority have had nothing but good things to say about him - we all hate Shearer yet you bring him up - you had no reason to other than to stir - someone brought up Bobby Robson so you took that as a good time to bring up someone we hate and turned what was a decent thread into a ****ing argument about Shearer and Quinn - the thread is about Niall Quinn so leave it about him and stop talking ****e about Shearer
No, but should Quinn be given a KNIGHTHOOD for being a really nice bloke? Hell no man. It's madness. Give the guy an OBE if you like, but a knighthood is reserved for some of the most iconic and influential people in their respective fields, and Quinn, for all of his positives, simply isn't that, and may not be for quite some time.
Ta-da, and the bias reveals itself. Thank you for proving my entire point.
"I think Niall Quinn should get a knighthood, as I love him for what he did for Sunderland"
"What about Shearer? He's done a lot for Newcastle and he's done a lot of charity work like Quinn"
"**** NO, I HATE THE GUY HE'S A DICKHEAD"
As I've said, being a nice bloke isn't reason for a knighthood I'm afraid. Once Quinn is universally respected, admired and held in extremely high regard by the entire world of football, then you can talk about giving him a knighthood like Sir Bobby.
I've said my piece (about 10 times over) so I'm happy to never mention Shearer on this thread ever again, but I suspect people won't be able to resist replying and continuing it further. Let's see.