And yet you STILL miss the point about bringing Shearer up - my argument is that you shouldn't bring Alan Shearer into a debate on this board of this nature - we are not talking about the best striker for either club or how good a player is - Newcastle United weren't mentioned (SBR attended SoL and The Sports Direct Arena) - so universally bringing up Alan Shearer is going to turn a thread into an argument. Anyone would know that bringing up Alan Shearer in a thread like this is going to cause an argument and it's obvious that you did it for that exact reason - unless you're just thick as pigshit which is also a possibility looking at this thread! Chappaz - I often have some good debate with yourself and have, in the past, enjoyed it, but this sort of thing makes you seem like a school child. My arguments were never that either deserved or didn't deserve a KBE - it was simply that you should not be talking about Alan Shearer on this post and had no reson to as you know where the thread is going to go afterwards
You've accused me of being a child in your post, but to me, this is far more childish. We're grown adults. If I mention a person, no matter how much he is disliked due to a sport, are you not able to step back and consider all of the facts instead of brushing them aside out of principle just because you hate the bloke so much? You could ask me if Tony Pulis should get a knighthood, and even though I actually can't stand the guy, I'd still be able to put that to one side and look at the facts to determine whether he deserved one. My personal dislike doesn't have to come into it. It's fairly easy to do, really. Not really. I didn't think it would. Perhaps I underestimated how much some people hate Shearer and how much abuse would be hurled simply at the sight of his name. I certainly won't be doing that again. I've gave you my reason. I'll say it one final time, and if you can't see that my reasoning MIGHT have been even slightly valid, then I give up. Quinn was compared to Sir Bobby. I disagreed and didn't think that Quinn was anywhere near Sir Bobby in achievements or iconic status. However, on the subject of comparisons (brought up by someone else) I DID think that Shearer was a more suitable comparison, as he's done a lot for a club and done a lot of charity work, which were the reasons put forward for Quinn getting a knighthood. However, I didn't think Shearer should have one either, so for that reason, nor do I think Quinn deserves one. Bias aside, and rivalry aside, if I were to compare Quinn to a player who has achieved similar things and done similar things, is there actually anyone OTHER than Shearer? I cannot think of any other players of any other clubs who have so many things in common: - Roughly the same age - Both played for each club and became fans of each club - Both tried to manage the clubs - Both tried to save the clubs - Both are icons of the clubs - Both have done large charitable work Someone brought up the comparison between Quinn and Sir Bobby when it came to getting a knighthood, but to be honest, if you want a real and fair comparison, Shearer is probably the only one there is, unless you can think of one? So your entire argument is basically that I shouldn't have mentioned Shearer because it would start an argument. My point is that mentioning Shearer shouldn't start a bloody argument in the first place if there's even a reasonably valid point to it. We're grown adults. Shearer isn't ****ing Voldemort where you 'shouldn't dare utter his name'.
Chappaz - validity to your argument for Shearer has nothing to do with this threador ANY of my recent comments - bringing up Shearer into a thread where we talk about someone we see as a legend is the issue - not the validity of Shearer being a knight - but bringing him up caused the arguments and turned this thread into what it has become - you keep going back to your reasons for bringing him up - when you brought him up did you not believe it would cause an aggressive response from the Sunderland fans? (and if you answer anything but Yes then you really are stupid)
As I said in the end of my post, I see now. Regardless of whether I had a point, I'm simply not allowed to mention Shearer as it creates blind fury in any Sunderland fan? Well I'll have to respectfully decline to abide with that, as this is an open forum, and if I can't utter the word 'Shearer' without people taking an aggressive stance, then that's your problem, not mine. I thought we were grown men. Regardless of peoples personal opinions, everyone should be able to respect that Shearer is as much of an icon to us as Quinn is to you guys, and that their achievements in football and charity with our two great clubs are largely very similar, and can be compared as such when talking about national honours (which both of them already have as well, don't forget). And I suppose I must be stupid, as I didn't think it would cause an aggressive response. Well, one of two helmets always tend to chime in no matter what I say, but I certainly didn't expect a backlash whilst completely ignoring the actual point I was trying to make. But hey, maybe Shearer really is that hated?
Don't deny that at all Chappaz - like I say you have some points I really do agree with but I still iterate that mentioning Shearer on here in a thread of this nature is always going to cause an argument and anyone would know that. You could've made your point by using a completely different person (someone like Ian Wright for instance) Loved by Arsenal fans - only thing he didn't do is manage the club - but you used Alan Shearer which you must know will cause an argument?? Surely you knew??
Not really . I'm not a Sunderland fan, I don't 'feel' what Sunderland fans feel and I've never actually mentioned Shearer to any mackems until now, so how would I know? I know he's a mag icon so he'll obviously be disliked to some degree, but I didn't think people hated his bloody guts enough to abuse whoever mentioned it even if there was a point behind it. It's not like I appeared out of nowhere and started shouting 'SHEARER SHEARER SHEARER' on the wind up. As for comparisons, as I said, I can't actually think of anyone similar to Quinn in what he's done other than Shearer, and when you look at the facts, they're actually both extremely similar. It's not about just being liked, it's about what they've done for our respective clubs. Both ex-players, both fans, both icons, both philanthropists and both returned to the clubs in times of need to try and help. But yes, after this I don't think I'll be uttering 'his' name on this board anytime soon.
