The difficult thing here, in my opinion anyway, is that the words are typed and maybe don't always come across as they would do if we were having this debate face to face.
We are all passionate about our club, and if we were in a pub discussing these topics, yes there would be 'lively' debate, but I wouldn't feel the 'frustration' that I have felt coming from some of the posts on here, simply because we would be able to see each other's expressions and hear the tone of voices.
Just my opinion that's all.....