The Grayson Thread

[Best Fans]

Someone on twitter's saying Bates vetoed the signing of a defender because he was asking for £11.5k. If this is true what could we really have expected in the window!?

http://soundcloud.com/back2basics/ken-bates-post-sg-sacking

He says that Grayson asked him for another Centreback and he said that we've already got 6 CBs at the club. Basically, I think it came down to Grayson's transfer record, which makes sense. I never usually agree with Bates, but on this I understand.

 

[ellandback]

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Ken Bates' interview in full from tonight. Makes incredible reading...thesquareball.net/what-ken-said/… (via @TheSquareBall) #lufc #twitterwhites

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[Norwayleedsforever]

The only way for this club to get forward is if Bates disappeared, evaporated, cease to exist or simply just get the **** out of the club!!!!!

 

[ellandback]

[h=1]What Ken Said – 01.01.12 – Simon Sacked[/h]by FAX MAN on FEBRUARY 1, 2012 · 3 COMMENTS




Taken from Yorkshire Radio’s interview with Leeds United owner Ken Bates today…
‘Mr Chairman’ speaks to Ben Fry about the reasons for sacking Simon Grayson and season ticket numbers.
Ken Bates: Hi Ben, sorry I couldn’t speak to you earlier but I was travelling, as you know.
Ben Fry: Chairman, we’ll start with the statement on LeedsUnited.com. The club have dispensed with the services of Simon Grayson and his coaching staff. Can you give us the thoughts behind this decision?
KB: Well I think that, first of all we have to acknowledge the fact that in the previous three seasons Simon got us to the play-off semi-finals, he won us promotion the next year and last year we finished seventh. And contrary to some of the nutters on tweet and Twitter, we’ve backed him all the way. The first time I said ‘no’ to a player that Simon wanted to buy was last Thursday when he wanted to sign a player who was going to cost us £600,000 a year. I said ‘but you’ve already got six centre-backs, all of who you signed’. We have, at 30, probably the largest, or at least one of the largest squads in the Championship and a bigger squad than most in the Premiership. Our wage budget was £9.5m this year, we’ve spent over £12m. So these people who are blaming me for the results don’t know what they’re talking about. Every penny that we made from transfer fees has gone back into the team in transfer fees or wages. Don’t forget, if you sign a player on a free transfer say, on £500k a year which with taxes is £600k a year and give them a three year contract, you’re committing a £1.8m, which is a tremendous amount of money. We’re a Championship club; we have six strikers, we have six centre-backs and all of a sudden I can’t see why none of the them are any good enough. We’ve got three teenagers in the back four. That’s the decision of the manager. He decides who he wants to buy. We the club, me the chairman, authorises it. But the face of the matter is, we’ve conceded more goals than almost any other club in the Championship and we’ve got three teenagers in the back four. Therefore we’ve reached as far as we can and the present system isn’t working. So what have we got know? We’ve got 18 games to go, nine at home and nine away. We can still get into the play-offs, I think automatic promotion is a bit far off. But I think we need a fresh start, fresh look, fresh attitude and a new moving on. We’ve got Andy O’Bren coming back which is one of Simon’s signings and now he’s back at the club so hopefully that will strengthen our back four. So we’ll see what happens in the last quarter of the season.
BF: Do you have confidence in the squad and the players at the club that they can make this charge?
KB: Well, Simon told me in November that we were going to win promotion. These players haven’t become bad players overnight. They’ve got a problem somewhere but we don’t know what it is. I’m a little bit disappointed when Simon said after last night that he was working under financial constraints. Jesus! Nearly 30% over budget on players’ wages and people are… some of the fans are banging on about loan players. Errr, who scored the winner against us when we played at the Emirates? It was a loan player wasn’t it? Thierry Henry? It’s not a question of how much you spend on the transfer fee, it’s the quality of the player you get. He’s a free player, free transfer. Do you pay £35m for a Carroll or £50m for a Torres? So money itself doesn’t mean anything. The important thing is quality and value for money. What I don’t understand, is why we are where we are with what we’ve spent. I mean, don’t forget when we were beaten by Barnsley 4-1, their wage bill was £4.5m. Ours was £11.5m so clearly we’re not getting value for money, are we? So since the present system isn’t working, we need a fresh look, a fresh start. Having said that, thank you to Simon for what he has done in the past and his two assistants but we have to move on.
BF: The statement on the website says Neil Redfern will take temporary charge until a new man is available. Neil obviously a man with plenty of experience of the game.
KB: Oh yes. I mean he is a toughie. Look how, under his control, the players have been coming through from the academy. You’ve got seven academy players now in our first team squad. That’s a tribute to the way we work at the lower levels. And I’m sure he will bring a fresh face to what’s happening. That gives us time to rethink and move on.
BF: Chairman, always difficult days but I suppose from this point you just have to look forward to the remainder of the season.
KB: Well yes. It’s amazing, 62 per cent of season tickets have been renewed already and thank you for those who have done it. It demonstrates that despite the vociferous minority and now a very small minority, they do say empty vessels make the most sound, people can see what we’re trying to do. We’re building a club first and team second. That is most important. We’re making progress at a time when so many clubs are in financial difficulties. I’m going to tell you a funny story… there’s a guy that has failed to take over at Portsmouth, who hasn’t come up with the reddies, I met him three months ago at the request of someone else that was interested in investing in Leeds. They come through the door every week of the month. People say spend, spend, spend, well why should anyone spend? What’s more important? A text I get yesterday: why would anyone want to invest in a club where there’s a vociferous minority who make so much bad vibes? Do me a favour, don’t need it. Anyway, all these people that claim they have contacts and have money, including the Leeds United Supporters Trust, well no problem, they can put their money where their mouth is.

 

[Old Peacock]

Thank you Mr Grayson!!!

He led us from the darkness of League One to the top half of the Championship without any support from the board.

He never made excuses when our best players were sold and he kept us moving forwards despite the investigations and allegations.

Now he has been sacrificed, possibly following his decision to play Snodgrass last night, as it meant we could not sell him?

 

[Roquefort Junior]

Thank you Mr Grayson!!!

He led us from the darkness of League One to the top half of the Championship without any support from the board.

He never made excuses when our best players were sold and he kept us moving forwards despite the investigations and allegations.

Now he has been sacrificed, possibly following his decision to play Snodgrass last night, as it meant we could not sell him?

Not sure about the Snoddy bit, but you're near enough spot on.

 

[ellandback]

Thank you Mr Grayson!!!

He led us from the darkness of League One to the top half of the Championship without any support from the board.

He never made excuses when our best players were sold and he kept us moving forwards despite the investigations and allegations.

Now he has been sacrificed, possibly following his decision to play Snodgrass last night, as it meant we could not sell him?

 

[Simon21-LUFC]

http://soundcloud.com/back2basics/ken-bates-post-sg-sacking

He says that Grayson asked him for another Centreback and he said that we've already got 6 CBs at the club. Basically, I think it came down to Grayson's transfer record, which makes sense. I never usually agree with Bates, but on this I understand.

So we all agree we need a CB, but you agree with Bates stopping Larry buying a CB. Let me guess, you were complaining yesterday when we didn't buy one, weren't you?

 

[Whiteyorkist]

Thank you Mr Grayson!!!

He led us from the darkness of League One to the top half of the Championship without any support from the board.

He never made excuses when our best players were sold and he kept us moving forwards despite the investigations and allegations.

Now he has been sacrificed, possibly following his decision to play Snodgrass last night, as it meant we could not sell him?

Agreed. There's only one person who should be sacked / resign and I think we all know who he is. This stinks.

Which quality manager will want to work with the rapist (our wonderful club) Bates.

 

[Best Fans]

So we all agree we need a CB, but you agree with Bates stopping Larry buying a CB. Let me guess, you were complaining yesterday when we didn't buy one, weren't you?

I agree we need a new CB. But he's signed AOB, Bruce, Bromby, resigned Kisnorbo, O'Dea, Collins and Tom Lees has come through in the last 18 months. He can't sign a new CB every transfer window and hope that it works. There must get a point where you think that he can't organise a defence.

 

[Old Peacock]

I agree we need a new CB. But he's signed AOB, Bruce, Bromby, resigned Kisnorbo, O'Dea, Collins and Tom Lees has come through in the last 18 months. He can't sign a new CB every transfer window and hope that it works. There must get a point where you think that he can't organise a defence.

AOB was a good signing, but cheap.
Bruce was cheap.
Bromby was cheap.
Kisnorbo was cheap
O'Dea was cheap.
Collins was cheap.

I think there was a pattern to who he could sign, but I can not put my finger on it....?

 

[Best Fans]

AOB was a good signing, but cheap.
Bruce was cheap.
Bromby was cheap.
Kisnorbo was cheap
O'Dea was cheap.
Collins was cheap.

I think there was a pattern to who he could sign, but I can not put my finger on it....?

Cheap on what basis? Cause on wages, Bruce, Bromby, Kisnorbo, AOB and O'Dea will be on a lot. So add another player onto that. Grayson can't sign a player, give him a 3 year contract and then 6 months later want another player for that position.

Bromby was signed in 2009 and a year later could barely get in the squad.
Collins was signed in 2010 and left 6 months later.
Bruce was signed in 2010 and couldn't get in the squad a year later.
AOB was signed 2011 and 6 months later can't get in the squad.
O'Dea was signed in 2011 and 6 months later Grayson is looking to sign another CB.


I think there was a pattern to his transfers, but I can not put my finger on it...?

 

[Norwayleedsforever]

Cheap on what basis? Cause on wages, Bruce, Bromby, Kisnorbo, AOB and O'Dea will be on a lot. So add another player onto that. Grayson can't sign a player, give him a 3 year contract and then 6 months later want another player for that position.

Bromby was signed in 2009 and a year later could barely get in the squad.
Collins was signed in 2010 and left 6 months later.
Bruce was signed in 2010 and couldn't get in the squad a year later.
AOB was signed 2011 and 6 months later can't get in the squad.
O'Dea was signed in 2011 and 6 months later Grayson is looking to sign another CB.


I think there was a pattern to his transfers, but I can not put my finger on it...?

What do you expect? When you have to search in the trash or the local pub for player, you get ****. And as long as Bates is at Leeds, then that is what we will get!!!

 

[Best Fans]

What do you expect? When you have to search in the trash or the local pub for player, you get ****. And as long as Bates is at Leeds, then that is what we will get!!!

I hate Bates and I agree that he hasn't given enough funds. But SG wasted a lot. People act like he was on a shoestring budget.

 

[Simon21-LUFC]

I hate Bates and I agree that he hasn't given even funds. But SG wasted a lot. People act like he was on a shoestring budget.

... but he was on a shoestring budget.

 

[Best Fans]

... but he was on a shoestring budget.

He wasn't. He was on a decent budget, not enough for a club of our size, but still enough to bring in better transfers than he has. This isn't about pro Grayson or pro Bates. You think that players like Paynter, Bessone, AOB, Bruce, Bromby, Forsell are on cheap wages? The loanees and free transfers do add up to a lot. Money that could be spent on less signings but more quality.

For example: we have 6 CBs at the club (5 signed by SG, 1 given debut and used consistently by him), and Grayson wants another. If you take the wages that Kisnorbo, Bruce and Bromby were getting, then you've got yourself a wage that could go on a top defender. I'm not saying he's been given loads, but it's hardly a shoe string.

 

[Old Peacock]

I hate Bates and I agree that he hasn't given enough funds. But SG wasted a lot. People act like he was on a shoestring budget.

Grayson worked wonders with nothing. We only have Ken's word that we have over spent on wages (so wake up and smell the bu** **it).

Plus you have to remember that Ken is 80 and forgets little things.. Like: who owns the club or that he sold Lennon, Rose, Gradel, Howson etc etc.

 

[Brizzlewhite]

What about a new thread where we try and add up the value of transfers in/out, wages and the cup runs (outside of KBs plans he said) for say last season and this and see if they are anywhere near the figures KB is quoting? If we don't know the figures, then a range of minimum and maximum and we end up with a final minimum and maximum?

For example he is saying £12M on wages, yet other info is that this is including agents fees and transfer fees.

 

[Best Fans]

Grayson worked wonders with nothing. We only have Ken's word that we have over spent on wages (so wake up and smell the bu** **it).

I never said we 'overspent'. I know Bates is bullshitting about that. But he didn't have nothing. We'll agree to disagree on this, but I don't think having 6 CBs on the books and looking to sign another is having a small budget.

 

[Poly]

If we do get Warnock, then at least we have a manager who won't stand for any of Bates' **** and will speak his mind. That's one positive at least.

It'll be interesting to see if Grayson comes out now and makes a statement of just how much Bates is holding the club back.

Warnock spoke his mind at QPR and got sacked.

I don't like him as a man or a manager - he would be a bad manager for Leeds.

Grayson won't speak his mind, no point - he'll be applying for jobs right now and won't want to get a bad reputation.

Good luck to him.