Is it just me or...

[Smudger]

You have more points than us, are you saying that stat does not prove you have been a better team than us so far this season......strange

That isnt a stat, that's just how football works. You can twist stats to help your argument, you cant do anything to points tallies. Defensive record stats dont win you the league, points do.

 

[Wease555]

Never know with you mackems

Thats the smoggys bud lol

 

[Jonas' Dance Teacher]

That isnt a stat, that's just how football works. You can twist stats to help your argument, you cant do anything to points tallies. Defensive record stats dont win you the league, points do.

You are good with arguments lol - I take about 50million years to think of a reply

 

[Wease555]

That isnt a stat, that's just how football works. You can twist stats to help your argument, you cant do anything to points tallies. Defensive record stats dont win you the league, points do.

Points are not a stat but goal against are and therefore don't mean anything......whatever you say mate but I think its normally accepted that the team who has let in the least goals at the end of the season has the best defense or have I been reading the game wrong all these years, silly me.

 

[Billy Death]

Well I can see you've proved me wrong as it's now degenerated into utter ****e as I feared it might.

Night.

 

[Smudger]

Points are not a stat but goal against are and therefore don't mean anything......whatever you say mate but I think its normally accepted that the team who has let in the least goals at the end of the season has the best defense or have I been reading the game wrong all these years, silly me.

Well it isnt the end of the season, so save that claim for May if that's your logic. Just a few weeks ago we had the best defence and best record, it can change very quickly. Points measure how well the entire team is performing, not just defence, so if we have more then we must be playing better, regardless of your defensive record.

 

[judzthegeordie]

You have more points than us, are you saying that stat does not prove you have been a better team than us so far this season......strange

Nit picking. But being a mackem your used to that

 

[Wease555]

Well it isnt the end of the season, so save that claim for May if that's your logic. Just a few weeks ago we had the best defence and best record, it can change very quickly. Points measure how well the entire team is performing, not just defence, so if we have more then we must be playing better, regardless of your defensive record.

I totally agree with you. If we have let in less goals we will have a better defense and if you have more points you will have been the better team, what I said from the start really.

 

[MrRAWhite]

So much for all the good feeling eh...

 

[Davie 1973]

The reason the atmosphere has changed is quite simple.

Some Mags spend so much time on the Mackem board , that they are beginning to like us. Go on , admit it.

 

[Chappaz]

And if my auntie had a dick she would be my uncle. We have been playing midfielders in defense for the last few game if you have not noticed including against Man City, Fact is we have let in less goals than you. If we still had Gyan we might have scored a few more but we don't.

You have more points than us, do you include that particular stat in your dodgy folder.

The stats are irrelevant because if we look beyond them, we can analyse every individual player (who may or may not be injured now) and figure out who would be in the best XI. You can't just ignore that Perch was in the side, because when he was in we conceded a ****load of goals, but that has no bearing on how good Coloccini or Steven Taylor is. Why would a poor defensive period due to James Perch mean that Coloccini and Steven Taylor aren't as good players as originally thought? It makes no sense.

The same goes for you. Why would playing midfielders in your defence have any bearing on how good Brown or any other defensive player is?

 

[Beatski]

So much for all the good feeling eh...

this was always going to happen, jinxed it with the thread topic. ironically the only thread where it ever stays civil is the banter thread

 

[Jonas' Dance Teacher]

Anyway, **** being nice...

5-1

 

[atom heart mother]

Well I just thought I'd put my two pennorth in.
Firstly can I say well done to the OP as it makes a refreshing change of late to have a sensible post from a newbie.

Right, I've said this many times before, both clubs grew up on the back of hard working, working class folk who were damn proud to be so. Coal mining, ship building, dockers & lots of heavy industrial engineering. Back in the old days men would often attend either club depending on who was playing at home. Rivalry was always there but as time went on it got bitter & nasty with some very unsavoury incidents taking place, maybe things have mellowed a little lately.

I think one thing that unites us in some small way is the way we are both treated by the national press, they still seem to have an image of us as pit heaps, cloth caps, prize leeks & whippets. I long since gave up reading the national dailies as they treated us with constant contempt. So **** them I say. The radio & TV stations are the same.

When we do seem to be ticking along nicely & attempting to genuinely give us something to shout about, someone comes along & knicks our best players, alas, I feel that may always be the case. So you see there really is no difference between us at all apart from the colour of our stripes. Most of my family, including my dad were/are Newcastle fans.

Maybe it's because I grew up in a very mixed area, I don't know but I've always had respect for the loyalty the Mags have shown over the years & I have plenty of mates on both sides. Janie's family all come from Newcastle/Gateshead area. When I first met her brothers they took the piss a bit but in a friendly, non hostile way & soon made me one of their own. Bridges can be crossed for sure.

Mind, I've had plenty of rows with Mag lads but always we made up. There are tossers linked to every club but to me, most fans I've met are just normal people just like us. Some do have that holier than thou attitude but I'm not gonna name names. I love talking with the away fans at the burger vans after the matches & have met some cracking lads on the most unlikeliest away trips. I have had my skin saved one more than one occasion by opposing lads when thins have kicked off.

Maybe this is a bit long winded but going back to the original point, I think it's called mutual respect even though many will not agree.

Well said Billy boy. I think it's mutual respect too.
...although it'll not stop the arguments !

 

[Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction]

Your probably right BUT

Krul vs Westwood
Santon vs Bardsley
Coloccini vs Brown
Williamson vs Bramble
Taylor vs Turner
Simpson vs OShea
Obertan vs Larsson
Tiote vs Cattermole (depends which Cattermole turns up but again on consistancy)
Cabaye vs Vaughan (ok I will give you that one just)
Jonas vs McClean - Bright future ahead of the lad while Jonas is a little off the boil
Ben Arfa vs Sessegnon
Ba vs Bendtner
Amieobi vs Wickham
Lovencrans vs Campbell
Best vs Gyan (he is still our player)
Guthrie vs Colback
Gosling vs Gardener
S Ameobie vs Richardson

Ok only my opinion, on Ben Arfa I would need to see him play more.

To be fair I think its a close run thing, in BA, Cabaye and Tiote you have 3 excellent players who could all get in top 4 sides in my view.

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[Ba's Strawberry Syrup]

Your probably right BUT

Krul vs Westwood
Santon vs Bardsley
Coloccini vs Brown
Williamson vs Bramble
Taylor vs Turner
Simpson vs OShea
Obertan vs Larsson
Tiote vs Cattermole (depends which Cattermole turns up but again on consistancy)
Cabaye vs Vaughan (ok I will give you that one just)
Jonas vs McClean - Bright future ahead of the lad while Jonas is a little off the boil
Ben Arfa vs Sessegnon
Ba vs Bendtner
Amieobi vs Wickham
Lovencrans vs Campbell
Best vs Gyan (he is still our player)
Guthrie vs Colback
Gosling vs Gardener
S Ameobie vs Richardson

Ok only my opinion, on Ben Arfa I would need to see him play more.

To be fair I think its a close run thing, in BA, Cabaye and Tiote you have 3 excellent players who could all get in top 4 sides in my view.

Are you being serious ?!?!


Krul vs Westwood-Probably the best keeper in the prem this season
Santon vs Bardsley
Coloccini vs Brown-By a country mile
Williamson vs Bramble
Taylor vs Turner
Simpson vs OShea
Obertan vs Larsson
Tiote vs Cattermole
Cabaye vs Vaughan
Jonas vs McClean
Ben Arfa vs Sessegnon-About the same, impressed by both of late
Ba vs Bendtner
Ameobi vs Wickham
Lovenkrands vs Campbell
Best vs Gyan-Gyan is better but he is not playing for you atm
Guthrie vs Colback-don't know enough about Colback
Gosling vs Gardener
S Ameobie vs Richardson-don't know enough about Richardson

 

[Samuel L Ameobi]

Relations may be good. But Id love nothing more than seeing Sunderland relegated

 

[MrRAWhite]

I think relations have only improved due to the Mags who spend an awful lot of their time on the Sunderland board being generally ok...As this thread has proved, the vast majority of Mags are still deluded knob-heads who think their team are good enough for the champions league, but they are also the ones who don't venture over to our board very often..

 

[Chappaz]

I think relations have only improved due to the Mags who spend an awful lot of their time on the Sunderland board being generally ok...As this thread has proved, the vast majority of Mags are still deluded knob-heads who think their team are good enough for the champions league, but they are also the ones who don't venture over to our board very often..

I'm the exception to that rule I believe.

 

[Obertan's Rancid Toe]

Your probably right BUT

Krul vs Westwood
Santon vs Bardsley
Coloccini vs Brown
Williamson vs Bramble
Taylor vs Turner
Simpson vs OShea
Obertan vs Larsson
Tiote vs Cattermole (depends which Cattermole turns up but again on consistancy)
Cabaye vs Vaughan (ok I will give you that one just)
Jonas vs McClean - Bright future ahead of the lad while Jonas is a little off the boil
Ben Arfa vs Sessegnon
Ba vs Bendtner
Amieobi vs Wickham
Lovencrans vs Campbell
Best vs Gyan (he is still our player)
Guthrie vs Colback
Gosling vs Gardener
S Ameobie vs Richardson

Ok only my opinion, on Ben Arfa I would need to see him play more.

To be fair I think its a close run thing, in BA, Cabaye and Tiote you have 3 excellent players who could all get in top 4 sides in my view.

Wtf.

The fact you rate Westwood (your third choice keeper?) higher than Krul says it all really. Wasn't much point reading on after that point.

That's about as biased a comparison as I've seen. Ever.