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Immigrants are not your enemyOff Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.
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Good post, however it fails to cover the amount of immigrants our country can sustain.
Important to remember these are human beings who want a better life, like we all do, in the midst of the exploitation of hate for power.
We must never forget the question how many immigrants can we sustain per year? This needs to be discussed. We cannot allow everyone who is unhappy in their country access to ours.
We must have an honest conversation about immigration but not one based on hate. Not one based on denying our responsibility as humans to help our neighbours as well as ourselves, so we create safe routes. We need to manage risk and manage the economy and public services - those last two points don’t necessarily mean keep them out either. We must also celebrate the wonderful benefits those living here bring and have brought to us. Not dehumanise them and see them as threats.
We must also talk about bigger threats to our wellbeing like excess wealth, tax avoidance and it’s threat to public services.
Agreed. Also, include points raised on here, regarding illegal immigration...
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So the problem is much more wider ranging - we need to review how our society operates - than just "capping" numbers of immigration across Europe.
We’ve encouraged nations to rise up against their ‘oppressors’, often their own governments or other political groups as in Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine, etc, then seem surprised when there are consequences. If Israel drive thousands of people out of Lebanon they’ll go elsewhere. If the next country is impoverished, or hostile, they’ll keep moving until they find somewhere more ‘civilised’.
Trump, and the USA, don’t suffer the consequences of telling the Iranian people to ‘rise up’ because he knows they won’t be getting on boats to Washington …
… more likely to be Easington.
Infrastructure in the country (housing, schools, hospitals etc) is not a random thing. It is built to accommodate a certain amount of people. If you introduce people into the country in the numbers of a large town, on a regular basis, the system collapses. Basic mathematics.
And don't forget the Police, Fire Brigade and armed services (which have been hollowed out). https://nation.cymru/news/uks-military-hollowed-out-by-underfunding-say-former-defence-chiefs/
You're half right mate. Immigrants fleeing tyranny like this gentleman aren't our enemy. Immigrants fleeing justice and starting criminal enterprises here most definitely are. The others, who don't fall into these categories should apply through legal channels.
We need more people employed to vet them and we need to be thorough. Far too many criminals or those who don't recognise the human rights of their fellow citizens, particularly women, are being allowed entry into this country. I'd be more than happy for our government to pay a small fee to their original governments for every detailed report provided. It's not fool proof, but it provides some form of information on the background of the people who are arriving on our shores.
Try telling that to Henry Nowaks parents......I note the word dignity used in there, poor lad wasnt afforded any dignity during his dying breaths.
Is correct. I promised myself,...and others,.... I'd stay off this thread,but,reading through, not only the system has collapsed,but also social and cultural values, contributing to why so many young people are finding things difficult......I have 5 grandchildren aged between 18 and 25......I know first hand how things are.
Blair,why did he open the borders,in advance of the Germans and the French,and even then,on different terms?
As it's turned out,a treasonous act,which has gone a long way to making life here miserable for many, resulting in Brexit and the rise of right wing populism.
Stand up Tony Blair....you are a ****ing idiot, with nobody's interests at heart other than your own.
I agree, it's an unfortunately situation we find our society in. I wonder what labour are doing about it. Being a member of the labour party I truly hope they can sort out this mess we find ourselves in. I wonder if the media scrutinise Blair for his choices as much as they covered yesterday's debate, where Labour MPs discussed men's access to ladies toilets?
Me too mate but some of the drivel copied and pasted onto here without being challenged or liked I may add, has made this thread nothing but a propaganda platform for some. There are some great points of view from a lot of people but it just gets shut down with some copy and paste drivel,
A lot of which receives little interaction because I think people know they are wasting their time. The racist card is thrown around like confetti.
Welcome home brother.
I genuinely have no idea the rationale behind Blair doing that, this might be totally irrelevant or relevant, but economically we were thriving more back then. It was a different context and we know that migrant workers can help businesses and services. I still think mistakes were made while we had it. Public services were strong but financial inequality still grew and there is a knock on impact on people having money, secure jobs and spend giving government money to spend on services. Poverty costs all aspects of government. You have to add in the impact of Brexit financially which also impacted our resilience to covid and i think economic hardship can cause conflict over resources- oil, minerals etc ie war.
I don’t know enough about it truthfully but I've seen it said that managed / controlled immigration - allocation by agreement - everyone getting a share through legal routes - a partnership like we had in the EU- was better than the boats which seem to strike fear into people, while giving some politicians and some media sources the ammunition to amplify that fear. The sense of being invaded. Im definitely pro legal routes, with controls. Add to that, austerity removed services that helped people to be supported and mix and engage at community level. So people feel distant - us v them rather than a friendly neighbour.
I’m no fan of McSweeney Labour, but i do see Labour remedying some errors through partnerships and smart policies. It isn't heard because they make mistakes alongside the good things - ID cards etc and Starmer is a wooden bureaucrat when we need moral leadership, hope and inspiration.
Great post marra, and covers much of my feelings as well. However, did someone post that the new ID cards don't include Sex? Hence they wouldn’t vote for Starmer...
Hi marra,good to know you're still functioning on all cylinders!
I suppose my point is that Blair thought immigration would lead to economic growth,but he failed to factor in the vast numbers who would arrive and the pressure that would place on our services and infrastructure,not to mention communities. There was no partnership with the EU....we were taken for a ride.....and,as far as the French are concerned,still are. It's all very well to say we're grateful for workers arriving to fill the social need,if the reason for the increased social need is a direct result of the immigration numbers. I don't think there are many on here who would disagree with giving a home to people,from wherever, who are in genuine distress,but that's not what's happening. And, as much as you don't want to hear it...Farage can't be blamed for it...he's only at the forefront of the push back....however distasteful he is.
The father and brother of the killer are up in front of a judge this afternoon. Also, the leniency of the 21 year sentence for murder is being reviewed.
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