Match Day Thread Arsenal vs Burnley - Matchday Thread

[PINKIE]

Don't be silly.

Glasner will probably line up with the canteen staff.

And you'll still only win 1-0.

It's not being silly

Palace will want to win that game

None of it will be easy

Especially with our brand of nerve wracking football

 

[Citizen Kane.]

There were 3 penalties not given to Arsenal

1) on Saka - there is debate over it but the fact is that Saka was just about to sweep the ball into the net and the defender just placed his foot between the ball and Saka's motion to strike the ball.
2) clear and deliberate hand ball - Burnley defender moved his hand toward the ball in order to stop Saka's pass going through to Odegaard. replays showed the moved ment of the hand TO the ball clearly.
3) the most obvious of all - the goal keeper foul on Gyokeres. Gyokeres gets the ball first, keeper doesn't get the ball at all and bundles Gyokeres over, hooking his leg.

Seen all 3 of those incidents given regularly and far more often than not.

So a focus on the Havertz foul and whether it was strong enough to warrant red card is rather myopic.

The Saka incident was actually a superb piece of defending and literally the only thing a defender can do in that situation without conceding a penalty. Your own fans agree with this.

I can't comment on the other two incidents as I'd already gone outside to watch the grass grow in my garden, a comparatively riveting experience.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Don't be silly.

Glasner will probably line up with the canteen staff.

And you'll still only win 1-0.

You are just preparing yourself for your horror of Arsenal winning the league.
In reality you are praying on your knees for us to slip up.
Your club is so bad you'd see us finishing 2nd and you finishing 17th as a brilliant season for you.

 

[PINKIE]

You lot are ****ing hilarious; top of the league with one game to go, in a CL final - and you’re not enjoying any of it

Do you know what most football fans would give to be in your position? If you’re players are as wobbly as you lot, you’re ****ing doomed…

It's nervy as ****, but I am loving where we are right now.

 

[PINKIE]

The Saka incident was actually a superb piece of defending and literally the only thing a defender can do in that situation without conceding a penalty. Your own fans agree with this.

I can't comment on the other two incidents as I'd already gone outside to watch the grass grow in my garden, a comparatively riveting experience.

The Saka one wasn't a pen. Saka kicked the defender's calf, who had every right to be where he was to get to the ball.

I didn't see the handball one again

The keeper's foul on Gyokeres was close, but I think the keeper just gets a toe to it before Gyokeres does

 

[Jayramfootball]

The Saka incident was actually a superb piece of defending and literally the only thing a defender can do in that situation without conceding a penalty. Your own fans agree with this.

I can't comment on the other two incidents as I'd already gone outside to watch the grass grow in my garden, a comparatively riveting experience.

I said this before - if a player knocks the ball past a defender, getting their first, and is on the move... you are effectively saying the defender can just stick his leg out to block the run so the attacker runs into it.
That has NEVER been the case in football - and there is no difference as to whether you are running through on goal as an attacker OR in the motion of striking the ball.

 

[Jayramfootball]

The Saka one wasn't a pen. Saka kicked the defender's calf, who had every right to be where he was to get to the ball.

I didn't see the handball one again

The keeper's foul on Gyokeres was close, but I think the keeper just gets a toe to it before Gyokeres does

He didn't get the ball - he literally just stuck his foot right in the path of Saka's leg which was already swinging to put it in the net..

Keeper did not get a toe to the ball in the Gyokeres incident.

On the handball - the defender made a clear motion towards the ball to block the through pass.

ALL were fairly clear pens in my view - and most of the time they are given.

 

[PINKIE]

He didn't get the ball - he literally just stuck his foot right in the path of Saka's leg which was already swinging to put it in the net..

Keeper did not get a toe to the ball in the Gyokeres incident.

On the handball - the defender made a clear motion towards the ball to block the through pass.

ALL were fairly clear pens in my view - and most of the time they are given.

I didn't see the handball incident again

The other two were not pens imo

 

[PINKIE]

Anyway, I don't really give a **** about them now anyway

We won the game

That's what counts.

 

[Jayramfootball]

I didn't see the handball incident again

The other two were not pens imo

All 3 are given more often than not - far more often.

 

[PINKIE]

All 3 are given more often than not - far more often.

They are given sometimes I agree.

I thought the Saka one was a pen when I first saw it, but I have to agree with VAR on that one

The incident with the keeper is close, but he just gets a toe to it first. More by luck that anything else.

 

[Citizen Kane.]

I said this before - if a player knocks the ball past a defender, getting their first, and is on the move... you are effectively saying the defender can just stick his leg out to block the run so the attacker runs into it.
That has NEVER been the case in football - and there is no difference as to whether you are running through on goal as an attacker OR in the motion of striking the ball.

It doesn't matter how many times you've said it. It's still wrong.

Imagine it the other way round, which we see the whole time.

Defender and attacker going for the ball in the box. Attacker manages to plant his foot in between the defender and the ball, defender kicks the attacker's foot, penalty is given. Every day of the week. We don't moan that the attacker has blocked the defender.

 

[PINKIE]

It doesn't matter how many times you've said it. It's still wrong.

Imagine it the other way round, which we see the whole time.

Defender and attacker going for the ball in the box. Attacker manages to plant his foot in between the defender and the ball, defender kicks the attacker's foot, penalty is given. Every day of the week. We don't moan that the attacker has blocked the defender.

As much as I disagree with your policy of genocide in Gaza

You're right about this.

 

[Jayramfootball]

It doesn't matter how many times you've said it. It's still wrong.

Imagine it the other way round, which we see the whole time.

Defender and attacker going for the ball in the box. Attacker manages to plant his foot in between the defender and the ball, defender kicks the attacker's foot, penalty is given. Every day of the week. We don't moan that the attacker has blocked the defender.

So if a defender has the ball pushed past him by an attacker and decides the best way to defend is to dive head long in front of an attacker to stop him getting the ball he just pushed past the defender, then that's OK? As long as he times it right so the attacker runs into him


It's really simple, Saka is clear and well in front of the defender and is in the motion of shooting.
The defender cannot possibly get to the ball so sticks his foot in front of Saka... nowhere near the ball and entirely to stop Saka making connection.
This was NOTHING like a situation where an attacker runs into a defender.

 

[BrunelGunner]

Dude that eas one of the worst game I have seen Mosquera have, he was an utter liability

I thought he was shaky second half, but he was good first half - and considering he's not a RB by trade, I thought he did pretty well given the circumstances.

We do need Timber back asap though, I do fear for us in the CL final if Mosquera is our RB.

 

[PINKIE]

I thought he was shaky second half, but he was good first half - and considering he's not a RB by trade, I thought he did pretty well given the circumstances.

We do need Timber back asap though, I do fear for us in the CL final if Mosquera is our RB.

I think Timber is close

We'll definitely need him in the CL final

 

[BrunelGunner]

"Probably"

Semantics. Probably/should/ought to/needed to. Whatever. The point is, he was extremely, extremely lucky to not get sent off.

The only two reasons I can think of why VAR didn't intervene is:

1) Paul Tierney had a clear view of the incident, yet still felt a yellow was necessary. They didn't feel like they should intervene if the referee made that decision in real time when he was in a good position.

2) The force in the challenge was minimal, so that maybe rescued him from further punishment.

Like I said, he should have been off and if it was the other way around, I'd be fuming if a player wasn't sent off for a high, late challenge like that. But the above are the only two reasons I can think of as to why Havertz wasn't given his marching orders.

 

[BrunelGunner]

There were 3 penalties not given to Arsenal

1) on Saka - there is debate over it but the fact is that Saka was just about to sweep the ball into the net and the defender just placed his foot between the ball and Saka's motion to strike the ball.
2) clear and deliberate hand ball - Burnley defender moved his hand toward the ball in order to stop Saka's pass going through to Odegaard. replays showed the moved ment of the hand TO the ball clearly.
3) the most obvious of all - the goal keeper foul on Gyokeres. Gyokeres gets the ball first, keeper doesn't get the ball at all and bundles Gyokeres over, hooking his leg.

Seen all 3 of those incidents given regularly and far more often than not.

So a focus on the Havertz foul and whether it was strong enough to warrant red card is rather myopic.

Jay, you are kidding me? Literally none of these are penalties. It's a total non-issue.

 

[BrunelGunner]

The Saka one wasn't a pen. Saka kicked the defender's calf, who had every right to be where he was to get to the ball.

I didn't see the handball one again

The keeper's foul on Gyokeres was close, but I think the keeper just gets a toe to it before Gyokeres does

The 'handball' was when we were on the attack, Havertz played it into Saka and Saka tried to flick it around the corner to the onrushing attacking player (can't remember if it was Trossard or Odegaard). The ball hit Tuanzebe's arm, but his arm was close to his side and he was so close to the ball, that there's nothing he could have done to move his arm out the way.

It's not a penalty.

 

[PINKIE]

Jay, you are kidding me? Literally none of these are penalties. It's a total non-issue.

This ^^^

And we'd be absolutely fuming if any of those were given against us

Can you imagine, Burnley given a pen for one of those incidents and we drew the game ?