Saints expelled from Play Offs by EFL

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timatoketchup said:
The business is unable to access the customers information if the transaction was chip and pin or contactless. The only way they would know if it was a CNP (when customer is not present and volunteers the info) transaction.
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Yes but if you knew you were there to do something that was against the regulations of the EFL why would you make it so obvious that you were there. If I was him and he looses a job I wouldn’t recommend he applies for a job with MI5
 
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RedandWhiteManofKent said:
Understand there will be an announcement at 4pm today.








Not by the EFL but from someone, likely to be from someone connected to Middlesbrough, James Corden again, Danny Murphy, Gary Lineker, Angela Rayner, the Hull chairman, Phil Mitchell from Eastenders, some skate wum, talk sport, Tim Sherwood, Roy Keane, or someone that used to be in Love Island.

Some announcement by some ****er who hasn't got the facts but has an opinion on how we should be punished
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Opinions are like arseholes - everybody's got one
 
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At this point it's just a case of wait and see.

There will be a process (however expedited) that has to be followed in this case and that will include reasonable time given to all parties to prepare their case.

The club have not admitted guilt / declared innocence AFAIK - all they have said is we'll follow the process and we want time so that we can investigate the claim and come with the correct knowledge (despite the media push for a swift execution).

If guilty (and I have no access to evidence to make a claim either way), then I hope the club takes it's punishment in whatever form it will be, makes a public change to it's operations to show they are putting it right and then hopefully the media circus can draw a line under it (which I doubt considering some of the wildly speculative comments).

If innocent, then I hope we move to hold the instigators to account for the false accusations.
 
Ian Thumwood said:
The local press in Boro reporting that a former Saints employer is helping them compile a case against us. Two other teams have also comnented on suspicious activity.

I cannot believe that Tonda is involved but Boro press are suggesting that he is and the Sphors was the instigator. Their local press has been suggesting potential bans for both.

Just aeems totally overblown for a bloke in the bushes with a mobile.
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It’s not for that though it’s for his fashion sense. Ffs what was he thinking?
 
SaintElliot said:
Jeremy Cross of The Daily Star has said if Southampton were expelled from the playoffs they would immediately launch a legal challenge.
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There's two ways of taking this statement. One is that saints would immediately launch a legal challenge or two, which is the one I prefer, is that The Daily Star will launch a challenge on our behalf. Which is a nice touch I think.
 
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AshbySaint said:
Really! That is such a surprise. Always thought we would take it lying down.
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I think that’s what Boro fans assume. They happily think “Gibbo” will hound us and the EFL to the ends of the earth with lawsuits if it doesn’t go his way but think we will just meekly accept an unreasonable and unprecedented punishment

This is only going to a commission precisely because we won’t agree to what Boro want our punishment to be

Boro fans has whipped themselves up into thinking demotion to league one, points deductions of 3 points per game we apparently spied and class action lawsuits from every other championship team are on the cards. So to them us accepting being booted out of the final we beat them to get to and a big fine is a sensible middle ground and the best we could hope for. Interesting reading to say the least. And this is from their forum that on the surface appears to be the more reasonable of the two main ones
 
metalmonkey80 said:
At this point it's just a case of wait and see.

There will be a process (however expedited) that has to be followed in this case and that will include reasonable time given to all parties to prepare their case.

The club have not admitted guilt / declared innocence AFAIK - all they have said is we'll follow the process and we want time so that we can investigate the claim and come with the correct knowledge (despite the media push for a swift execution).

If guilty (and I have no access to evidence to make a claim either way), then I hope the club takes it's punishment in whatever form it will be, makes a public change to it's operations to show they are putting it right and then hopefully the media circus can draw a line under it (which I doubt considering some of the wildly speculative comments).

If innocent, then I hope we move to hold the instigators to account for the false accusations.
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I’m not sure we’ll take the punishment “whatever form it will be”. There is clearly a level of punishment that we would agree to and accept. And Boro want more than that
 
Think we only get ‘kicked out’ of the play offs via a ‘3-0 loss’ from the first leg. Can’t just kick us out, as that’s a very case specific punishment, what if the next team to get caught doing this is just mid table or it’s not this late in the season? Then what is the equivalent punishment to being kicked out the play offs? Thats too messy. Losing the offending game 3-0, big fine, maybe a ban from football for 6 months for the people directly involved seems plausible. We’d still launch an appeal that we’d approach the second game differently or whatever, but given how close the games have been between us, it’s a jump to think we could have overturned that deficit regardless.
The punishment will change again if other clubs have evidence against us too though, and it just gets more complex and messy.
Really no idea how it’ll go, and still think it’s massively blown out of proportion but we are exactly the type of club that they’d love to punish severely to put off other clubs doing the same. I also don’t think the massive overreaction, pile in on the witch hunt in the media will help us. They only piss off Southampton if they kick us out, if they don’t, the frenzied pile in from the narrative built up by Boro and their media outlets will be far bigger.
 
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RSS said:
Think we only get ‘kicked out’ of the play offs via a ‘3-0 loss’ from the first leg. Can’t just kick us out, as that’s a very case specific punishment, what if the next team to get caught doing this is just mid table or it’s not this late in the season? Then what is the equivalent punishment to being kicked out the play offs? Thats too messy. Losing the offending game 3-0, big fine, maybe a ban from football for 6 months for the people directly involved seems plausible. We’d still launch an appeal that we’d approach the second game differently or whatever, but given how close the games have been between us, it’s a jump to think we could have overturned that deficit regardless.
The punishment will change again if other clubs have evidence against us too though, and it just gets more complex and messy.
Really no idea how it’ll go, and still think it’s massively blown out of proportion but we are exactly the type of club that they’d love to punish severely to put off other clubs doing the same. I also don’t think the massive overreaction, pile in on the witch hunt in the media will help us. They only piss off Southampton if they kick us out, if they don’t, the frenzied pile in from the narrative built up by Boro and their media outlets will be far bigger.
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They couldn't award a 3-0 win in a game and moreover in its return leg that's already been played. We'd hammer them for that.
 
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RSS said:
Think we only get ‘kicked out’ of the play offs via a ‘3-0 loss’ from the first leg. Can’t just kick us out, as that’s a very case specific punishment, what if the next team to get caught doing this is just mid table or it’s not this late in the season? Then what is the equivalent punishment to being kicked out the play offs? Thats too messy. Losing the offending game 3-0, big fine, maybe a ban from football for 6 months for the people directly involved seems plausible. We’d still launch an appeal that we’d approach the second game differently or whatever, but given how close the games have been between us, it’s a jump to think we could have overturned that deficit regardless.
The punishment will change again if other clubs have evidence against us too though, and it just gets more complex and messy.
Really no idea how it’ll go, and still think it’s massively blown out of proportion but we are exactly the type of club that they’d love to punish severely to put off other clubs doing the same. I also don’t think the massive overreaction, pile in on the witch hunt in the media will help us. They only piss off Southampton if they kick us out, if they don’t, the frenzied pile in from the narrative built up by Boro and their media outlets will be far bigger.
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The forfeit would have had to been done before Tuesday, otherwise they've essentially punished us on that game too which we're not accused of breaking the rules.

As for the narrative building if we're not kicked out. Nobody but Boro will care after a week or two.
 
I’m coming round the idea that (partly aided by the media frenzy) we will be kicked out. It just seem like if that wasn’t an option then it would have been said by now and tickets for the final will have been released

I expect the main issue is going to be that there is evidence this isn’t an isolated incident. Even though this charges should just relate to this one in theory.

However, the idea of Boro being rewarded is hard to swallow. They don’t deserve it and that’s not how punishments should work. Especially as they’ve gone about this whole affair appalling. That’s extra reason that they shouldn’t be rewarded

I’m probably just overreacting
 
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Gregm1988 said:
I’m coming round the idea that (partly aided by the media frenzy) we will be kicked out. It just seem like if that wasn’t an option then it would have been said by now and tickets for the final will have been released

I expect the main issue is going to be that there is evidence this isn’t an isolated incident. Even though this charges should just relate to this one in theory.

However, the idea of Boro being rewarded is hard to swallow. They don’t deserve it and that’s not how punishments should work. Especially as they’ve gone about this whole affair appalling. That’s extra reason that they shouldn’t be rewarded

I’m probably just overreacting
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The wait is painful and leaves us all vulnerable to ruminating but as far as we know, the Commission hasn't happened and the outcome can only come from that. I'm not reading into the fact that it is on the table as an option as pointing to a likelihood it will happen.
 
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